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>> shots being fired. there are people running, possibly victims involved. >> 7:09 a.m., shots fired. >> i still got shots being fired. >> it was a congressional baseball team practice for a charity game. that abruptly turned into a morning of terror. >> walking around the baseball field, i saw a man with a very large gun. >> within a few seconds, all of a sudden there were multiple gunshots being fired. >> the gunman firing bullets on a quiet suburban baseball field in the community of dell ray, located in alexandria, virginia, seven miles from the capital. four people were struck. among them, house majority whip steve scalise. the number three republican in the house of representatives. >> congressman scalise was playing second base. fielding some of the batting
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practice. he had just batted a few guise before. he dragged himself off of the infield into the outfield about ten or 15 yards. >> representative scalise hit in the hip and crawled his way out of the line of fire. it was multiple acts of courage, colleagues helping colleagues, that helped save the day. representative winstrup attended to scalise. >> i felt like i was in iraq as a surgeon. steef steve was conscious and okay. >> mon brooks provided a tourniquet. >> i took off my belt. myself and another congressman, i don't remember who, applied a tourniquet to try to slow down the bleeding. >> the heros of the day, two
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capitol police officers there on protective duty for representative scalise. they immediately returned fire. alexandria police arrived minutes later and exchanged bullets with the gunman. >> thank god from the capitol police who were there guarding our majority whip. because we were sitting ducks in that dugout. when i got in the dugout i realized there was blood all over the place. it was not a good place to be. >> along with scalise, three others were shot and injured. crystal griner, also matt mika, a lobbyist and former congressional staffer, and zachary barth, a staff member for representative roger williams. the president today calling for unity. >> we may have our differences, but we do well in times like these to remember that everyone who serves in our nation's capital is here because above all they love our kung. >> i want to focus on the
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condition of the wounded. the president now at the hospital with steve scalise underwent surgery earlier today. dr. sanjay gupta joins us. how much do we know about his condition? >> we're just hearing from the hospital after he came out of surgery, which was sort of midafternoon around 2:30, 3:00, that he was in critical condition. that's obviously concerning. we saw images of him, you may remember, at the scene. we hear that that time at the scene, he was stable. he was actually able to speak to his wife on the phone. he was transported by helicopter to the hospital. five to ten minute transfer. by the time he arrived, he was in critical condition. obviously, he seems to have some deterioration during that time. was in surgery for several hours. still in critical condition. this is obviously the job of the nurses and doctors to try to care for him and stabilize him, which is i'm sure what they are trying to do. there was a gunshot wound to the hip. no vital organs in the area.
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but there can be significant bleeding. >> matt mika, a lobbyist practicing with the team, i understand he is in critical condition after being shot in the chest. what can you say about that? >> it sounds like this is the most serious. you are talking about a rifle, a very high velocity bullet to the chest. may have been multiple shots to the chest. also had surgery. is also in critical condition. all we are hearing is not surprising expected to be in the intensive care unit for several daz days. unlike with a shot to the hip, to the chest because of the concerns of bleeding around the lungs, that's something they will have to be very carefully observing over the next several days. it sounds like the most concerning sort of victim of all of this. >> and the officers -- the heroic officers from the police department, what's the latest? >> two officers -- one, griner
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ba sounds like had a gunshot wound to the foot area. is in good condition. still in the hospital. probably likely to be released over the next day or so. >> we wish them all a speedy recovery. thanks very much. with me is congressman barry loudermill and jack bergman who were there this morning much appreciate you spending time with us. i talked to a number of people who were there. the first shot people didn't know what it was. they thought a car backfiring, a firework. when did you realize what was happening? >> as soon as the second shot h happened. the second was the same as the first. you know the sound of a weapon when you hear it. >> military experience. >> that's right. right then it was real. >> where were you? i understand the shooter was near third base. >> he was behind -- thankfully, he was on the outside of the chain-link fence. >> which was locked. >> behind the third base dugout. i was next to the batting cage. we couldn't see him. after that second shot, several of us standing there began to make a beeline in a low crawl
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towards behind the dugout on the first base side to stay out of the line of fire. >> congressman, when did you -- where were you? >> i was close to home plate. i had just come in from the batting cages to take some live pitching. i was putting on a batting helmet when i heard the first shot. i recognized that as a gunshot. but you are in a situation you are not sure. i turned and looked to my right where scalise's security detail were in the suv by the dugout. they park there so they have a clear view of the field. i saw them exiting the vehicle. they had concerned looks on their face. heard the -- >> it was that quick in. >> they came out. there was a long pause after the first shot. he was -- took the first shot and then moved up. when the second shot, as the general said, came you knew it was going down at that point. one of the members i think trent kelly from mississippi yelled, he has a gun.
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that's when we all started running. i ran outside -- i went outside the fence. i didn't want to get trapped in the dugout. there was a lot of people in there. as i was going out the fence, shots hit to my left. >> you could actually see shots? >> the ground was -- you could see the dust flying up off the ground where bullets would hit. i went around -- luckily, a utility shed, to put it between me and the shooter. i was about 20 feet from the security detail's suv. they repositioned the suv. that's when i saw matt mika. he was laying on the ground. he was severely wounded, shot in the chest. myself and one other individual tried to get to him. the shooter had moved in position and had us in a line of fire. every time we tried to go out there, he would take shots. >> no kidding? how long about -- hard to tell in a situation like this. i heard -- that video runs for
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about five. how long do you think this went on for? >> average, six minutes, plus or minus. that video -- we saw it this afternoon. it captures a lot. >> were you able at any point to see the gnman? >> the only time i saw him was after he was secured by the police. after it was over, i walked around and checked wounded and checked to see where he was. >> you went over to representative scalise? >> i did. >> how was he? >> he was as you would expect in shock. congressman winstrup was in charge. he was applying the compression to the entrance wound. we were getting scalise's belt out of his pants in case we needed to use a tourniquet. jeff flak was thewas there. >> you knew -- did you see the shooter while -- >> i did. i saw him reposition a couple of times. then i lost track of him.
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the gentleman that was with me was tracking him. i was talking to matt mika, trying to get -- talk to him. we couldn't get to him. >> you were yelling out to him? >> he was ten feet in front of me. the capitol police, he was next to their vehicle. they couldn't do anything because they were engaged in the fire fight. they were heros. i saw the first officer get shot in the ankle. she went down. she was out of the fire fight. that's when the other officer actually ran into the parking lot to draw fire away from us. >> is that right? >> very heroic action. i saw him take -- i thought he got shot in the leg. sounds like he got shrapnel. he was rounded. that's when i got concerned. if he went down, there was nothing else to do. we were trying to figure out, could we get her weapon. as i repositioned myself at that point behind a tree where i could get a better vantage point, that's when i saw the shooter come from the other side of the building, he was getting
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covered by, and he was brandishing a handgun. >> did he seem calm? >> calm, collected. he walked out there, pointed it at the police officers. he took a shot. the capitol police officer told him to drop the weapon, drop the weapon. alexander police officers were telling him -- he had taken a couple of shots at them with a rifle. fortunately, missed. he shot a couple more times at the capitol police officer. that's when the police officers took him down. you i saw him go down. >> he was taken to the hospital. we understand that's where he expired. what did you do after he was down? >> as soon as he was -- we weren't sure if there was another shooter or not. i ran up to where the capitol police officer that was shot and matt were laying. checked on matt. he was in really bad condition. he had bled a lot. i could see the chest wound. i looked at her. i could tell -- you could see her ankle was shot pretty bad. she wasn't critical. i asked if they had a medical
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kit. she said they had one this the back. i got the medical kit. i was looking for something, clot stopper for matt. emts who had been -- they were up on the street and unable to get down there. they were there for matt. i let them take over. i didn't know scalise had been hit until somebody told me that steve was on the field hit. i saw brad winstrup out there. i ran the medical kit out to brad. gave it to him. then when i turned, the security -- the detail for scalise who shot the perpetrator was out there with scalise. limping and so -- this guy is a true hero. >> incredible. does something need to change? what do you moving for? to me, i just -- >> something needs to change. there's a lot that needs to change. for example, the idea of civility at all levels of discourse needs to be brought to
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the forefront. were you aware the freshman class, three weeks after signed in, we signed a commitment to civility that never saw the light of day in the news because it wasn't a big enough story? there's a lot of people who want change. we need top cover from folks to get the examples of how it can be done out there because we have to move forward as a nation together. >> it does seem like you talk to people who served 20, 30 years ago on capitol hill and there was not just the media but everywhere people could have -- good people could have difference of opinions and battle hard in terms -- >> that's a good thing. you get a better result when you come at it from different angles. >> how important is it the ball game goes on tomorrow? how important is that a lot of people come out? >> it's extremely important. if this was a recreational game between us i would say we need to step down. this is for children. this is a charity game for children. everybody is going to survive,
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even matt mika from what i hear. i got a call a little while ago that said he is going to be doing all right. everybody is going to recover. it's going to take a while for some. i think we need to go out there. i think we need to play hard. we always play respectfully. something about sports brings us together. we set our differences aside. we need to raise money for the kids and show our support for one another as americans. >> how great would it be to have that stadium filled? >> it's a strong statement across the country if we can do so. everybody come out tomorrow. >> we will be there. thank you very much. >> thanks, anderson. >> sorry it's under these circumstances. more ahead on what happened this morning. an extremely difficult day. we'll be right back. wwell, it's just abolike a real pencil,? so when you write on the new ipad pro, there's basically no lag. ...what's the big deal about a little lag? ...wait what's happening? laaaaaaagggg!!!
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that robert mueller's investigation is extending beyo beyond this. more now from the white house and jim acosta who joins us. have we gotten any response on this from the white house? >> no. the white house is referring us to the president's outside counsel. a spokesman did put out a statement. i believe we have it. we can put it on the screen. it says, the fbi leak of information regarding the president is outrageous. inexecutable and illegal. a couple of things to point out about this statement. one is, it talks about an fbi leak of information. we don't know for a fact that it was the fbi that is leaking this information. also, what i think is interesting about this statement is that it doesn't deny that the president is now under investigation by the special
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counsel bob mueller for obstruction of justice. it is a statement that is curious. as it is brief. it is obviously something that the press is going to be asking sean spicer about this tomorrow, if the white house holds a briefing. we don't have a schedule what's going to happen tomorrow. that's all they are saying tonight. >> jim acosta appreciate that. jeff toobin, should point out, just because there is an investigation by robert mueller on the possibility of obstruction of justice doesn't mean the president did try to obstruct justice. that's up to mueller to discover in the course of the investigation. given the fact there is an investigation of the president, how big a deal is it? >> it's a huge deal. the president of the united states is under criminal investigation by a special prosecutor who has hired the best lawyers in the country, is working with the unlimited resources of the fbi.
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it's a nightmare for anyone to be investigated by the fbi and the justice department. it's particularly a nightmare for the president of the united states. it doesn't mean that the president committed a crime. it doesn't mean that the president will be charged with a crime. as we saw during comey's testimony last week, there is certainly at least applausable case, a basis for investigation, that trump made overturns to comey to crush an investigation of his friend, general flynn, and then when comey didn't do that, he fired comey. that is a plausible case for obstruction of justice. there are surrounding circumstances, including admiral rogers and director of national intelligence coats who were also approached by the president. they need to provide evidence as well. this is all going to happen. >> the president even if the
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president attempts to cite executive privilege to get them not to talk to mueller, mueller can counteract that, can't he? >> he can. he has broad discretion in all the powers of the federal bureau of investigation, the department of justice. remember one thing. obstruction of justice is a specific intent crime. you can't just -- jim comey who is a witness to this didn't believe that from february until he was fired that the president had obstructed justice. he could have opened his own file. it seeps curious that this has been leaked and the other thing i might point out is the white house, all they have to do is call up director mueller or acting attorney general for this specific investigation rod rosenstein and ask is the president a target or subject of an investigation. they have to answer that question. >> why would they want to know that? why would they -- >> i think at this point this time the fbi or director mueller
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need to confirm or deny this. this innuendo of an investigation of a sitting president that no one can confirm is very dangerous for our republic. we need to know whether there's an investigation or not. the american people would like to know that. >> i don't think mueller will say a word. lots of people -- >> he doesn't have to tell the white house? >> no. by no means. >> gloria, there's so many aspects to this. the irony, of course, that there may be no collusion. there be no there there on the whole russia story. and yet, now this special counsel investigation is going in another direction. >> right. largely it's because the president's own self-sabotage. if he hadn't fired comey, all the other dominos might not have fallen. on the question of obstruction, we're talking here about the legal case. but is there now going to be a political argument about obstruction that will get stronger and stronger. >> in fact, that's probably more
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important than the legal case. >> exactly. >> there's not going to be a legal case. >> it's hard to prove, for example, as we were just talking about before. i think that we know that the senate intelligence committee has been interested, the democrats in particular, have been interested in the issue of obstruction. and i guarantee you now they're going to be making the case that they need to hear more about it. if it needs to be in closed session, they spent a couple hours with admiral rogers, senator burr said the other day. they're going to want to talk to dan coats. they're going to want to get to the bottom of this. they believe they owe it to the american people. >> the other thing is, we talked about this. paul talked about how president clinton had the ability to compartmentalize things and continue trying to do legislative stuff with these investigations. the question is, what impact is this going to have on the white house of donald trump? i'm not sure it's at the point
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where it's at xartmecompartment. >> it isn't because the president isn't. the president is thinking about this constantly as we know. pondering whether he should fire the special counsel. >> talking to a lot of people? >> a lot of people, his friends about it. it's very hard for a white house to be compartmentalized and say, okay, you have the war room over there, which is what the clinton white house did, the rest of us will focus on legislation, when the president himself is not doing that and he gets up in the morning and he is tweeting about leaks or he is tweeting about comey. it's very, very difficult. >> jeff, how much of the president's own words in interviews he has given, in tweets, will be part of this investigation? >> it will be the heart of it. in fact, remember, it was his interview with lester holt that basically sabotaged the entire white house explanation for why james comey was fired.
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the night he was fired, eventually, people like kellyanne conway came out and said, the real reason he was fired is because he did such a bad thing to hillary clinton eight months ago. it was very implausible. it was not really believable. but that was the explanation. then the president gave an interview to lester hold and said the real reason is because of the russia investigation. again, that came from his own mouth. the problem there is he can't very well deny he said it and he can't deny his tweets and he can't deny what he said to the russian ambassador, which apparently was recorded somewhere where he said, comey was a nut job and i had to get rid of him. all of that -- that is admissible evidence in an investigation. if some day somewhere there's a trial, it's admissible there, too. >> matt, now if "the washington post" is correct based on their five sources and the president is under this investigation, i
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assume his outside counsel will be pushing him not to continue to tweet about it or talk about it or give interviews about this. >> that's rule number one. if you are going to tell your sto story, tell it once to a jury. in this case, this president i think needs to listen to his key advisers, because as jeff points out, this is a very serious situation. bob mueller is a professional. let's remember the other thing that's going on here. as bob mueller does his investigation, he is going to be talking to witnesses. his investigates will talk to witnesses. this seems to be the first round of reveals of at least three people that are going to be interviewed. we should expect similar stories to this as we proceed through the investigation. it doesn't necessarily mean that they're just talking about obstruction of justice. they are going to talk about the russian collusion and interference in the american election. >> it doesn't mean that the fbi is leaking.
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when investigators start interviewing people, a lot of people know about it. the witnesses, their lawyers. that's often where the information comes from. not necessarily from the fbi. >> which is what the white house was slamming the fbi for allegedly leaking -- there's no evidence the sources are the fbi. jeff, matthew, gloria, thanks so much. coming up, the latest on the shooting investigation. what investigators finding out about the now dead gunman. reaction from the white house. the president's remarks garnering bipartisan praise tonight.
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remember what we were just saying? go irish! see that? yes! i'm gonna just go back to doing what i was doing. find your awesome with the xfinity x1 voice remote. the man who tried to commit mass murder is dead tonight. two of his victims badly wounded. congressman steve scalise sustained a rifle shot to the left hip. it traveled across his pelvis, fracturing bones, injuring internal organs and causing severe bleeding. he underwent immediate surgery and an additional procedure to stop bleeding.
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he received multiple units of blood transfusion. we will provide updates. in addition to that, we are learning about who the gunman was. his movements and more. we're minimizing the use of his picture and his name. with that in mind, phil mattingly joins us with the latest. >> one of the key elements is social media. they are combing through his posts of which there are numerous and paint a picture. >> mostly political? >> mostly political. progressive causes. very anti-republican. very anti-president trump saying trump has destroyed our democracy. now we must destroy trump and company. that's a direct quote from one of the postings. very anti-hillary clinton. one interesting elements that investigators are trying to get through is what actually got him to this point. social media posts, there are lots. secret service is conngnizant o most of them. they did not know it was coming.
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at what point did he go from somebody posting to somebody willing to do something like this? they don't have that answer. >> he was a supporter of senator sanders. senator sanders saying this is abhorrent. >> took to the senate floor to make clear, he learned he believed this individual, the shooter had at one point volunteered for his campaign. on his facebook page he had a picture of uncle sam with senator sanders on top of it. a fan of sanders and his message. sanders condemning the actions saying he did not support this in any way, shape or form. >> is it known at this point how long this person was in the area? i have seen accounts he was seen at the ymca for a while sfwl he was living out of his van. i was on the scene. you could see the van. illinois license plates. parked in the parking lot of the ymca. he became a member of the ymca in april. he was there this morning as well. one of the jarring moments of
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all of this is republican lawmakers this morning, the individuals there actually saw him. he asked two lawmakers what party is this? is this the republicans or democrats? if you talk to witnesses, they saw him around. they recognized him. he was around. the big question is, why was he there? why did he come to town? it didn't appear he had any job, any employment. people are trying to figure out a lot of things. a lot of unanswered questions. very, very tragic. >> it was well-known that park was used by congress people to practice. had he asked around, he could have been able to find out that information. >> it wasn't a secret. they practice there every morning. they wear uniforms which have republican written on the shirts. that was when you talk to witnesses, when you talk to people who lived around the area, they made clear, we knew they were there. everybody in the community were very happy to see them. they got a kick out of it. nobody paid much attention. nobody attended practices. they walked by them. this was in the morning. all the practices occurred around 6:00 or 7:00. it wasn't difficult to find
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where these practices were. i think most in the community just kind of figured it was part of everyday life. >> thank you very much. the latest on the white rowhous response. what was the president's reaction to today's shooting? >> the first thing we should point out is that president trump, he has been checking on congressman scalise's condition throughout the day. earlier, within the last hour, the president and first lady visited the hospital where he is recovering from his injuries. we can tell you that aides brought in flowers where scalise is recovering and where the capitol police officers are recovering as well. the president and vice-president -- it has been a quiet day here. they canceled their scheduled events for the day. getting to the president's message in your question, we did hear from a very different president trump today. we have seen with other incidents like this around the world, the president sometimes will engage in rhetoric that is questionable or controversial.
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he did not engage in any divisive rhetoric after this shooting. he sounded a very unifying theme, reminding americans that people serving the nation here in washington are doing so because of their love of country. it was a very different president trump that we heard from. here is a bit of what he had to say earlier today. >> congressman scalise is a friend and a very good friend. he is a patriot. and he is a fighter. he will recover from this assault and steve, i want you to know that you have the prayers not only of the entire city behind you but of an entire nation and frankly the entire world. america is praying for you and america is praying for all of the victims of this terrible shooting. we may have our differences, but we do well in tyimes like these to remember that everyone who
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serves in our nation's capitol is here because above all they love our country. we can all agree that we are blessed to be americans. that our children deserve to grow up in a nation of safety and peace. and that we are strongest when we are unified. and when we work together for the common good. >> pretty remarkable to hear that from the president. when you listened to some of his surrogates like newt gingrich earlier today, he was blaming hostile rhetoric for today's shooting. he was not alone. there were other surrogates saying this. the president was not listening to those voices. he did the no echo those remarks. we should point out from a logistical standpoint, there was talk the president might go to this congressional baseball game tomorrow night, which would have been a pretty remarkable image,
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gesture. the white house is telling us that's not going to happen because of security concerns. i have been to the congressional baseball game before. that would have been a tall order for the secret service in light of what happened earlier today to try to secure that entire baseball park for something like that. >> jim acosta, thank you very much. lawmakers have been shaken up today. dp democrats, republicans, some on the baseball team or not, whether they were eyewitnesses or heard about it later, this isn't a day they will soon forget. you were on capitol hill right afterward when people were coming back from the ball field. >> it was very quiet. then all of a sudden, activity picked up. you started to have republican members from the team who came in, which was stunning. you are used to seeing them attired in their suits. a number of them actually came straight to talk to the media still in what they had been wearing to practice. ball caps, t-shirts. >> a lot had to leave their
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cars, everything at the ball field. >> they had been cordoned off while they were waiting to speak to police. they were bloodied. one congress member had a bloody elbow and hand from diving into the dugout. it was pretty interesting. almost immediately, even this was before knowing the motive of the shooter, they really seemed to feel so clearly that they had been targeted. we certainly heard that there was a lot of fear from the members of congress, especially afraid for their security in the future. we heard from that from chuck fleischman of tennessee. >> i wonder whether i will feel safe. if that shooter had chosen, i was in his line of sight. he could have shot me as easily as anybody else. >> we can disagree on how to govern. that's what makes our country great. i'm here because we're americans. i think republicans and democrats need to use this day
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today to stand together and say, stop. let's work together. let's get things done. we can have our differences. let's not let it lead to hate. >> that was only about a couple hours after the shooting happened. he had been at bat when the shooting began. i asked him, how do you feel? he felt angry. he pointed to political rhetoric. even at that point in time so early, he felt that this was a moment for that to really cool down. >> thank you very much. appreciate that. the man who was walking his dogs when the shooting began captured it all on video. we will hear from him next. i never miss an early morning market. but with my back pain i couldn't sleep or get up in time.
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we're getting video of the president and first lady leaving the hospital where steve scalise is being treated for a gunshot wound. aides brought flowers. unclear whether they were able to see the congressman. they are back at the white house now. the president has tweeted, just left hospital. steve scalise, one of the great people, is in very tough shape. he is a real fighter. pray for steve.
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as the day has gone on, we have been getting recordings of this morning's shooting. one of the recordings, the audio. >> receiving shots being fired. there are people running, possibly victims involved. i still got shots being fired. >> three medics. we got a suspect. >> give me your exact location. >> baseball field. there's also a victim down in the baseball field. >> we have another one down. total of five down. >> does anybody need a chopper? >> yeah. we will need -- >> we got witnesses that are trying to leave. i'm trying to keep them on the scene. >> another record of what happened was captured by someone who happened to be walking the area. he recorded it on his phone. i spoke to him earlier.
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can you explain where you were when you heard the first shots? >> yeah. i was walking in the dog park i go to every morning. it's next to the baseball field. i was just about to walk into the dog park when i heard the first shot. i thought it was fireworks. i looked around and thought it was strange. when i heard the second one, i knew something wasn't right. >> how much space was there between the first shot and the other shots? >> maybe two or three seconds. >> so when you realized what was happening, what did you do? >> i just dropped to the ground. i thought it came from the outfield. i couldn't tell where it came from. i was laying there. i was holding on to the dogs. i was hearing the shots. a lot of shots, they were ricochetting off the gravel near me. maybe 15 yards away i could see the smoke and i could hear them hitting the fence. it was a helpless feeling.
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let me try -- he moved. let me get my phone out and maybe i can record something of value. >> did you see the shooter? >> i did not. i did not see the shooter. i saw the police shooting back. but i couldn't tell where the shooter was. >> did you know that there were police officers returning fire, capitol police officers returning fire? did you know somebody was returning fire? >> yeah. i could see them and hear them. the gunman was shooting a rifle. they were returning fire with a pistol. you could hear the difference. i knew they were there just because there's usually one or two suvs with security personnel. so we knew they were there. thank god they were there. otherwise, who knows what would have happened. >> can you describe what happened once the shooting finally stopped? >> once it stopped, then you could tell -- as soon as everybody started running in to help the congressman. we felt it was safe. >> you were aware that the shooter was down?
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>> yeah. >> noah, i'm glad you are okay. i appreciate you talking the time to talk to us. >> my pleasure. thanks for the first responders. >> yeah. incredible. they made all the difference. truly heroic response by the first responders. one final note about the president and first lady's hospital visit. they were not able to see congressman scalise, nor enter the room where he is being treated. i will speak with a congressman who wasn't at practice today. he was clearly very affected by what happened. we will talk to him ahead. let's see,
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crashed in the desert and because we pitched yesterday, there was no need for us to throw today before the game. so instead, i scheduled a breakfast. i'm sitting in the club with trey gowdy when he looks and says, look at the tv sets. scalise has been shot. you're shocked and then think about the circumstance. it was only later that you intimately know every foot of that field. you can feel the presence of it just by the reporting and i think that's when it really hit. >> the extraordinary thing, too, had it not been for the presence of steve scalise and his security detail, it could have been truly a massacre. there were unarmed people, a shooter, people were in the dugout. i mean, it's terrifying. >> we as the pitchers were talking, had it been yesterday, there's four of us inside of a cage which was the point from which he began the assault. and you think about it, you would have been in there with nowhere to go and he at point
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blank range and the others, particularly trent in the line of fire. my colleagues said they watched and turned and saw him shot right at him. he missed. steve was the next guy that got hit but he was the next person over because the other two, the shortstop and the third basemen had just left. >> you've been on this team for seven years? >> yeah. >> what's the idea behind it? obviously it's for charity, but there's got to be a camaraderie that you can achieve on the ball field that you can't in congress. >> it goes both ways. it's meeting members from your own conference that you don't know quite so well and you go out on the field for the six weeks that we have in practice and get to know them in a completely different way and then it's your colleagues from the other side of the aisle. joe crowley just called me up and we were talking about this incident. there's a democrat from new york. why would we be pulled together
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but for something like this. and it gives us a different dimension to see each other in a different light. >> and an incident like this, do you hope something comes out of it in terms of a shift of tone in so many aspects of political life or -- >> well, i think that. i'm so concerned about the hateful rhetoric that seems to be expanding. there seems to be a lot of visit tree yol lick language. it's no longer discussions a town halls. people just scream at you. >> people aren't listening. >> yeah. and they are expressing -- i get frustration, even anger in a way that it's not a discussion, it's -- yeah, it's a beatdown. and i think it -- does it lead to this guy today? i don't know what motivated this guy. but the discourse is getting far too vitriolic and a game like this can symbolize the fact that we disagree on a lot of things
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but we can work together, we spend time together, we like each other and there's ways that we can work at solutions. we don't have to be tearing each other apart. >> how great of a sign would it be if you had a full house tomorrow night at the ball game? >> i just imagine the people that are going to be there are going to have a completely different sense of emotion than we've ever had before and i i'm thinking about what it will be like and it will be special. >> thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me, anderson. >> we'll be back. but when it comes to mortgages, she's less confident. fortunately, there's rocket mortgage by quicken loans. apply simply. understand fully. mortgage confidently. their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of. researchers of technologies that one day you will. some call them the best of the best.
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well, that's it for us. thanks for watching. don lemon picks up our coverage with cnn tonight. a stunning day in washington. a gunman opens fire on members of congress and then the news breaking tonight, president trump under criminal investigation for obstruction of justice. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. breaking news on two fronts to tell you about. "the washington post" reporting that special counsel robert mueller is investigating president trump for possible obstruction of justice as part of the russia investigation. this after only 145 days in the oval office. also breaking tonight, a shooting targeting members of congress. the frightening moments captured on