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these issues happen to affect people of color, daca. the white supremacists in charlottesville. sheriff joe arpaio and joe clark and on and on. everything doesn't have to be about race but the question is why can't it be about race? what is the big issue if it is about race? what's wrong with that? >> because there are millions and millions of people trying to figure out how to get through the weekend. they're taking their -- >> so are 800,000 -- >> there are a lot of people trying to figure this out and what this whole case is -- >> so are those people more important -- >> let me finish. >> no, i know people think i cut you off. but the reason i do that is because when you give a statement that is not a fact on this show, i have to stop it right, nip it in the bud because then people will believe you're telling the truth. and you'll spout off three or four other things that are not the truth and it will just get lost.
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do you think the other people who you say these people are concerned about their families. you don't think people of color are not concerned as well? are they not a high enough priority for us to be discussing and are we not americans as well and not deserved of the full rights and privileges of this country and to be discussed on a national newscast? >> don, we're all important, all americans are important. president trump got one of the highest percentage of the black vote in history since 2000. >> john, please. >> everything is not about race. >> everything is not about race but this is about race. >> daca has nothing to do about race. it's about the rule of law. and the program the president laid out gives everyone -- there's 690,000 people effected by daca right now. that's the real number. 690. they all have a -- >> van, go on.
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>> look, i wish that what you were saying is true. if this were strictly a question of rule of law and race had nothing to do with it, i would be comforted and very happy. unfortunately, it's hard for you to make that case. listen, rule of law would mean that sheriff arpaio wouldn't be pardoned. but he was pardoned. why doesn't trump just pardon the 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers? fine. but he won't do that because he has a base of people -- you say d.r.e.a.m.ers, what they think is latinos. when they hear latinos, they feel very uncomfortable. if all the dreamers were swedish models, we wouldn't have this problem.
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i don't think it's right to say race has nothing to do with it. and what makes me sad is for the younger people in this country they are baffled and confused as to why we continue to have the president of the united states doing things that they were taught were wrong. we teach our young people white supremacists are bad, nazis are bad. we're supposed to give people an honest break and chance and the president's not doing that. and you have people like yourself that pretend he's not doing what he is doing. and he does seem to single out people of color over and over again. >> and you had people like javier who wanted to work with the administration and then said this is the final straw. there seems to be a lot of breaking points happening when it comes to people willing to work with this administration. this is not about color? i mean don't people of color -- shouldn't we be concerned about the actions of this administration? >> absolutely we should and to the gentleman's point if you don't buy that argument, what it really boils down to is this is
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about the sanctity of the american presidency. this is about the moral authority of the leader of the greatest nation on the globe. when a man says he's going to do something and he's the president of the united states and less than four months later completely reverses himself, that sends a message. i understand people having a different viewpoint. i understand different political ideologies and my job is to try to argue from a fact based, data based perspective and try to make my point through economic argument. but the reality of it is we've got a president that doesn't want to listen to reason, doesn't want to hear the economic argument. he wants to rule through fear. and through intimidation and that simply isn't presidential. that's not american. that's not what this country is about. we are a country of broad shoulders and big hearts.
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we welcome the stranger. we put people to work. these individuals were vetted not once, not twice but three times. none of them have committed a crime. they have done nothing but contribute to the greatest country in the world. they willingly came forward and gave their information to the government and this president betrayed them. that's as simple as it is. it doesn't need to get any fancier. we're not splitting atoms here. >> this is an unbelievable conversation. you're going to have to wait because patty hadn't had a chance to speak yet. i said this is no longer a dog whistle, it's a bull horn now. >> i think the argument this is a legal issue is completely disingenuous by this administration. the other policy that was legally challenged was the muslim ban, but that didn't stop donald trump from vigorously defending it and going all out to fight for it up to the supreme court.
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so the idea that he thinks the d.r.e.a.m.ers are great and he loves them but he's not going to fight for them is disengen ws at best. and look his past actions, his history, everything he has done and has said has shown us who he is. i don't see why we don't believe him and as for the issue of we make everything about race. no, sir. donald trump makes everything about race. we are covering his policies, his agenda and what he says. he's the president of the united states. >> go ahead, john. >> patty, if donald trump ordered up a peanut butter sandwich for lunch you would say it was racist. >> no. >> this conversation -- >> no, i would not. >> and javier, i really appreciate your passion and appreciate you're doing what you believe in but this president is not racist. he had a policy on daca. he campaigned for two years and said the same thing over and over. i will -- >> not on daca. >> he said he would protect
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those 800,000 people but he was going to eliminate daca. and he also said he was going to follow the rule of law. >> stop right there, john. that's not true. van explain and i'll let you go. van. >> honestly, and i'm trying to listen to you really carefully. if he had had come out from the very beginning and said these dreamers got to go. i'm building a wall and these dreamers got to go, then you would be on solid ground. he said i'm building the wall, that's for sure. on daca he was all over the place and that is a big part of the problem. he continued to send signals to the young people he would look out for them and he's not. >> i've got to go quickly, but you got to be fact-based and i'll let you have the last point. >> the program in place is not kicking out the 690,000 daca recipients. they have a two-year period to figure this out and congress has
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an opportunity to pass a law that might impact them. that's what trump -- >> that's what they have an opportunity to -- >> the d.r.e.a.m.ers have a two-year period to figure it out. >> listen. trump could just tell congress to do it without terrifying and scaring all these kids. in other words there's a cruelty there. he's much kinder to arpaio or people who want confederate flags than he is to these kids and that's wrong. >> that's a dog whistle then. >> he literally said rest easy. we're going to focus on the criminals. he literally said that. >> and by the way, if the president ordered peanut and butter and jelly sandwich, we wouldn't say it was racist but we would say watch your diet because that's a lot of sugar
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strong storms can get on our planet. typically those numbers are 190 to 195 miles per hour. this is 185 miles per hour. and incredibly it could get up to that point of 190 to 195 in the region. you look at this feature. if you've got any friends or family or know anyone or going to bed tonight, a good idea to keep folks across the british islands, these islands in the direct path of the storm system inside the next 24 hours. among the strongest tropical systems we've ever seen on our planet. anything beyond a 4 or 5, typically are catastrophic. the verbiage they use is power outages could last weeks to months and communication entirely lost on some of these islands on landfall and some could be uninhabitable for months as well. the storm moves across the
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region but the turks & caicos in the direct path of the storm system. this is where it gets very interesting. once it begins to interact with cuby. and something important to note out here today. a lot of people look in the midd middle of the track and think that's where the storm is going to go, that's not necessarily the case. this is the most consensus zone of where the storm could end up. so keep in mind anywhere along that cone could get direct impact. and breaking down the model you see where that cone is created. and highest concentration just south to the bah homas thursday and friday. it could potentially move up just like hurricane matthew and
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harvey did. and then about half of the other models want to take it in for southwestern florida. but notice outliars take it to the gulf. a decent number want to bring it up that coastline. because of the nature of the land mass is how the u.s. bends to the east. they will probably interact with the u.s. at some point. so the steering environment is a little different than hurricane harvey because there was very little steering. this particular motion will want to keep them to the south. at this point, the air we watch for these storms is typically four to five days out. if you keep that number in mind and think four to five days out, saturday to sunday it could be 200 miles out in any direction. but either way it looks like florida would be the most likely state to be impacted directly or indirectly. >> thank you so much. i appreciate that. i want to go to cnn's leyla
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santiago. look at the eye of this thing. it is enormous. and that is what's barrelling -- it's in the caribbean now and barrelling towards the united states. leyla is down in puerto rico for us. what is the weather there like now? what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, don, certainly the winds have picked up in the last few hours. and people are getting ready for the unknown, not knowing what is coming with hurricane irma. but the governor is saying he expects it be catastrophic and of a magnitude puerto rico has never experienced before. and take into account this is a caribbean island that is used to as much as one can be of tropical storms this time of year. but as i was out and about today
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we certainly saw people boarding upwindose, people at the stores buying water. hard to come by, hard to find water on the shelves. but the conversation i was really talking about, when i at the store i talked to one of the dlurks and i said tell me what the products that are really in demand right now for this hurricane. and she stopped me right there and said hurricane, no this is not a hurricane. this is a beast. a beast is how it was described to me today, don. >> leyla, you're from puerto rico, correct the. >> right, i am. >> you talked about going to the store and what they're preparing for. how are they preparing for this? and my question really is there fear? is there real fear about this the. >> reporter: there's fear on a few levels. and i think the governor today, he was asked a very telling question at his press
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conference. and listen, there's a fear of the devastation, the damage, the power outages that comes with a hurricane. there's certainly that. but there's also fear if can they rebuild if this truly is that devastating? remember this is an island that is in an economic crisis. that's another storm they're dealing with. $ $70 billion in debt right now. and when it comes to the federal government because this is u.s. territory, these are u.s. citizens, when it comes to the government there was a bit of a sigh of a relief today when president trump declared a state of emergency, meaning they'll get more resources now to deal with this. there's not just a sense of devastation, but there's also a feral of who's going to pay if we have to rebuild? >> right on leyla. we'll be getting to you a lot in the coming days. when we come right back, how florida is preparing for irma
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people across south florida preparing tonight for the possibility of being slammed by hurricane irma. right now the giant category 5 storm turning westward to the caribbean and it could turn towards florida over the weekend. i want to bring in mayor philip levine. good evening to both of you. an evacuation goes into effect for miami dade county tomorrow. why haven't you decide stood evacuate broward county? >> at this time miami-dade county is standing a greater chance of having more of the effects of the storm than broward, and so right now with
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the trajectory and the path it's on, we haven't issued an evacuation as of yet but that may come based on information we received through the evening tonight and tomorrow morning. >> mayor levine, you've urged residents to evacuate ahead of this storm. tell us about that process. >> don, we think it's an incredibly serious storm. and as your folks have already said, this is a monster, and we're not taking any chances. at this point right now, the county has not actually issued an evacuation order. the only evacuation order out there is for folks with special needs. i had a council this afternoon and i said i am recommending for folks to leave out of the city. you can wait, obviously, a day but we're recommending because as you know, don, miami beach is connected -- it's a barrier island -- by a few causeways. it's clogged up. i want people to be able to get out of miami beach with advance
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warning. >> what more needs to happen in broward county before irma arrives the. >> they need to get their supplies and be prepared for three to five days and stay off the roads until it comes. we want to make sure they're safe and they're sheltered in place, and that only essential personnel are on the streets after the storm hits. the second thing is that as mayor levine said, we're trying to make prepations for those with medical needs to shelters where they belong and also those disabled to hospitals where they belong. we have pet friendly shelters, and we're telling people if they really need to shelter, we have accommodation up to 33,000 at this point. and we can have more as needed.
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but we're hoping that with the messages we're sending today that people are going to shelter with family and friends, because that's probably the best and most comfortable place to be during a storm. >> mayor levine as we saw with harvey in that most recent example, we saw the elderly people, our senior population they were effected by it greatly. you mention the disabled, mandatory evacuations. what's in place for the senior population in miami beach? >> we have reached out to our seniors to make sure they have the opportunity to move from the island. we have buses to pick them up. we'll bree bringing them to shelters if they don't have a place to stay with family and friends. we've gone out and identified various segments of our populations. our team has been on the ground to with the homeless population
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in miami beach to make sure they have what they need. it's an education program. it's communicating with our rez dnlts and our visitors. but once again, we take it seriously. it's not just the winds, don. it's the storm surge that can come. you saw it in houston. miami beach will experience, god forbid, with a big hit, major storm surge. >> thank you both. i appreciate it. good luck to you. i'm sure we'll be seeing you here on cnn in the coming days. now i want to bring in mike ty, a season hurricane chaser. and he joins us by phone. please be safe out there. let's talk about these images, mike, that we're seeing of irma. even at this early stage they are incredible. we're looking at pictures now. this is from a noaa aircraft
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that flew into irma. >> this is off the charts. i mean if this were possibly a category 6, this could be entering that realm. this is extremely scary. there's a few other examples, but we don't see this very often. those outer islands, i am extremely concerned for them right now. they're going to take a direct hit, some of those islands with 185 mile per hour type winds, that's going to be catastrophic. i hope they prepared and for everybody in the united states we still have time. start evacuating, following the orders from their officials. now's the time to act and get to your safe place. >> so i've got to ask you about riding out this storm. as i understand, you're going to do it from your home in key largo. i mean my goodness, you must be
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expecting to encounter -- who knows what you're going to encounter, but it could be pretty bad, right? >> yeah, i grew up down there. i've been eyeing locations i knew for years god forbid this should happen. with this track right now it's still unpredictable where i'm going to necessary go myself with the hurricane truck. with the forecasting is, it goes a little to the right, it's going to hit miami beach on the east coast. if it goes to west it could hit tampa or go over the florida keys and really cause a lot of damage. so this is really concerning. >> i ask you because the keys are exposed. you know that. semy question is what type of preparation work are you seeing from your neighbors the. >> everybody's preparing. the local businesses were boarding up today. i think tomorrow we're going to see that in hyperdrive. but it always ramps up to this.
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and i think i noticed this time people started preparing much earlier, and i think it's probably because of what just happened in houston. and it's fresh in everybody's minds oh, my gosh, how bad this can be. stow everyone's taking it seriously and evacuating and i hope everyone remains safe. >> when we come back, the president ending daca and calling on congress to pass legislation instead. but congress has yet to pass any of his legislative priorities. so what happened to trump the deal maker? you wouldn't do only half of your daily routine, so why treat your mouth any differently? complete the job with listerine® help prevent plaque, early gum disease,
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the trump administration pulling the plug on dpauka, the program that protects young undocumented immigrants who were brought to the u.s. as children protecting them from being deported. the president kicking the problem over to capitol hill. i want to talk this to the author of "the truth about trump." the president trump telling
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congressb they have to do their jobs, find the solution to daca. so what happened to the man, remember when he said i alone can fix this. he's supposed to be the great deal makerer isn't he? >> he's never been a good deal maker. the people who are good deal makers tell you you need three elements. the third is respect. he's a person who's told me he doesn't respect people. he's lied hundreds of time since taking office. and he's a person people don't have trust in because he's went bankrupt so many times. so the idea he's a deal maker is wrong. >> but he said in the art of the deal he's a deal maker -- well tony schwartz actually wrote it.
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i had fareed zakaria sitting there where you are now. and he said the president now is not governing. people are thinking of him as the outsourcing president -- should we start to think of him like that? >> if you start off by telling everyone off, how do you do a deal with them? and this is really mind-boggling. but i think the american people are very generous. they'll give him a reset at some point. >> next time i have you on, can you tell us how you really feel? i hear you in the background, steven. president trump hasn't had much success getting congress to pass any of his legislative items. why does he think he's going to have much success with this one,
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this one is going to be different? >> by the way, he's got to be a pretty good deal maker because he's made billions of dollars over his lifetime. he's got to deal with the debt ceiling. he's got to deal with putting the budget together to fund all the government programs. i'll say this. it's a little difficult to put together a deal when you're dealing with authority that has basically said we're basically against anything you want to do. we're against building the wall, reforming obamacare or repealing it, we're against tax cuts. the democrats have really laid down the line we're against everything you -- >> steven, to be honest he doesn't really need the democrats that much. it's the republicans.
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we're talking about legislation here. >> they have 52 in the senate. for those who understand the senate rules, it takes 60 to pass most pieces of legislation. not all pieces of legislation, but most. and if you've got slufrp wale all democrats saying we're opposed to these things, you can't get to 60. and these are things that require only 50 votes. that means you can only lose two republicans out of 52. and the republicans are not that united. but i think he's got to prove himself this fall he can deliver on these big ticket items that are so critical to the country. >> you said republicans aren't that united. why aren't that they united around this president and his agenda? because even when the former president didn't have a majority, he started off with one. they still got behind obamacare and democrats -- why aren't
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republicans falling behind -- >> that's a good question. i think republicans are more free agent than. democrats do tend to run lock step in one direction -- >> they fell in line behind bush. they fell in line with the war. i mean, come on. they all voted in support of the president. >> sometimes they do and a lot of times they don't. they can probably get a pass with 50 votes in the senate with the tax cut package. but we saw what happened with obamacare where they got 49 out of 52 -- >> i want to talk about daca because that's priority right mow. before daca decision was made,thrust a common written "the washington post." we must where we can cooperate with him, but we are not
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subordinate. we don't answer to him. we answer to the american people. is trump's bad blood with john mccain and certain other members of congress, is that coming back to bite him right now? >> i think it is. he's got bad blood all around. and actually the only people he doesn't have bad blood with are the guys who are chanting blood and soil in charlottesville -- >> that's outrageous. wow. >> it's absolutely true. the people he can't seem to organize are the people in his own party. and these were people united against president obama. these people are very good resisting when -- >> you have to admit that was a hyperbolic statement about the blood and soil. so go ahead steven. >> i've been in politics for 35 years or so. it's a lot easier to play
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defense an offense, there's no question about it. and when you're the opposition party it's easy to hold together and and the republicans don't want to hold -- >> you don't want to reply specifically to the blood and soil -- >> i think the problem with that kind of rhetoric, remember when hillary clinton called president trump deplorable, i think anyone who does support -- >> i think it's deplorable what he did in clifharlottesville. this is pandering to people who don't deserve to be pandered to. >> it's interesting you bring this up because last time i was on this show, don, we had a discussion -- i made the point there are bad actors on both sides of the aisle. and you challenged me on that. and now we have very strong video evidence. there was an amazing article on politico about the violent left that turned out in charlottesville. and i'm wondering if you're now
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willing to now say maybe i was wrong. there were certainly terrible people, these ku klux klan members, but there were pretty violent people on the left side too. >> me or michael? >> i'm talking to you, too. >> it's not the same thing. i've said every single time the acs of violence is never good-bye anyone. but comparing white supremacists to a group who may not be perfect and doing things wrong to a group battling fascism, there should not be a comparison. it's a strong man's argument. >> but these are marxist and -- >> that's fine. but when you are a the president of the united states, and neither of us is, and you're trying to bring a country together and get people to understand the awfulness that happened in charlottesville, you
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do not care white spremests nazis to people who are fighting fascism. it is not the moment. now, at another time you may call them out. and you don't say speem who are marching with swats caws and people who may have marched with said hoods in a time gone by, there are some good people out there. there are no good nazis. there are none. >> some of the people on the left were some of them who instigated the violence there. >> the people on the left would not be there if there were not white supremacists, racist, ku klux klan people marching in the streets the wrong thing. the only people -- >> there's no question about that, don. >> -- the only people who killed in charlottesville was on the white supremacists' side. their acs may not be perfect.
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they should not be having violent acts. i do not condone it. but they are not the same as racist kkk, white supremacists, neo-nazis. >> so you don't think marxists are the same as kkk people? marxists killed -- >> we're going around in circles. it is an important point and both deserve to be debated. but when the president of the united states has a clear assessment of what went on, and he did not have a clear assessment, that is not right -- >> and now we know from the video evidence that he was right, that there are people who are really bad people on both sides. >> no, no. i've got to go. when we come back, president obama speaking out about daca, and he is not holding back. we're going to tell you what he is saying. that's next. s'cuse me. mind if i sit here? not if you want your phone to work. let me guess, can't livestream your lobster roll.
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country we love, and it is cruel." that's just a part of the statement. here to discuss, cnn political commentators, cnn legal commentator matthew whitaker. good evening one and all. matt, the former president says the move by president trump is wrong, self-defeating, cruel. is he right? >> i don't think he's right. and remember, he's the one that kind of started this whole ball rolling. the president was faced with enforcing an illegal executive order that really was leading to nowhere. and ultimately the decision has to be made by congress as to what to do. because if you look at the immigration naturalization act on what you find is that categories of folks for immigration status are very clearly handled. and the d.r.e.a.m.ers, the folks that were brought as young children by their parents through no fault of their own, are in a status that does not
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allow them, does not allow the president to create a status and give them status. so congress has to address this. i'm encouraged that i see members of congress and the senate saying that they're going to address this. but i think a lot of folks are disappointed that it hasn't been addressed already by the folks we elected and sent to washington. >> "the new york times" is reporting president trump had been looking for a way out of daca, the daca dilemma. first he promised to deport those impacted. then he said he would treat them with heart. do you think what he did today was what he really wanted to do, peter? >> you know, as on many policy issues, my strong suspicion is donald trump doesn't actually know the details here very much at all. and would be hard-pressed. this is why i think he can't offer any leadership towards congress, because just as on health care, he doesn't understand the issue well enough, i think, in fact to chart a path forward. congress could have acted anyway, right? there's nothing stopping congress from passing comprehensive immigration reform, for instance, and actually putting this within a larger foundation.
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what tonled -- and donald trump was not forced to do this. the court had not ruled this unconstitutional -- >> it hasn't been ruled unconstitutional. i heard matt said it was illegal. still, it hasn't been challenged in court. >> it hadn't. when donald trump cares about something, like the muslim ban, i he fights it in the courts because he believes in it. what's clear is he has people like jeff sessions, steve miller, in his administration who want these people deported because they believe, i think entirely incorrectly, that somehow other americans are going to benefit if these people's lives are ruined. and that's just not true. >> so scott, do you say it would be shameful to leave these kids hung out to dry, but isn't that essentially what the president did today by deflecting to congress? they're not sure? >> no i don't think so, don. here's why. i think the president had a series of bad options and he picked the best one.
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he could have done nothing and let litigation about go forward ask there's a great chance of executive order would have been ruled illegal as matt said. number two, he could have ended the program immediately, and that's a terrible option. nobody wants that. that would have been cruel. so he comes up with this third option which gives congress a six-month window to get this right. these dreamers deserve certainty. the executive order was not certainty for them. but a law passed by the congress and signed by the president would give them certainty. so actually i think the president did something that needed to be done here and that's put congress on a deadline. this congress, congress lately in recent history, does not seem to act without deadlines and cliffs and up against it. so that's what the president's done. and i hope they get on it. >> there's no easy -- congress could have done this anyway. the president could have shown leadership and tried to actually get congress to pass a law. there's no evidence given the extreme dysfunction of this congress that the republican -- and given the republican party faces deep hostility to doing anything that -- for people who are undocumented people in the united states, to suggest that
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they can actually handle -- >> simone, does this give them certainty, as scott says? >> no. absolutely not. this is -- so one, this was a cruel, inhumane, and unnecessary move that the trump administration did today. i keep hearing folks mention that these attorney generals could have been sued and this would have been ruled illegal and unconstitutional. there's no basis for that claim. no one knows what could have happened. and we cannot operate policy in the united states off could have, would have, should haves, makes. so what happened today is that the trump administration put 800,000 young people who have signed up to serve their country, people who are teachers, folks who we interact with every single day and we don't even know they're undocumented, we put them in the crosshairs. for no other reason but to serve some part of the political base. so i think folks have to remember what congress were working with here. i don't know what congress y'all are talking about but the congress i know hasn't got anything done this year. i don't know what makes anybody think another imaginary deadline but the trump administration is going to move congress to act when the republican congress
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cannot get it together. >> did you just say i don't know which one y'all are talking about? that's hilarious. >> i don't know what congress y'all are talking about, i have not met them. >> matt, you take exception to what she said -- i have 20 seconds left -- about could have, would have, should haves, we can't operate the united states on that? >> yeah, you know what, the legal analysis is very sound. it was unconstitutional, the executive order -- >> who said it was? >> it is going to -- >> who said daca is unconstitutional? >> it is simple agency law -- >> it's simple, there was no litigation that -- >> the supreme court as it currently stands and the precedent -- >> deferred action for childhood arrivals -- >> we can argue about this but the law -- >> i'm speaking of fact, actual and factual -- >> the law is what it is. >> don, i want to know, slavery was legal. women not being able to vote was legal. when people want to purport that the law is the law, we have to uphold the law, the law is not always just. this is not just. what the trump administration
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