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and former u.s. army green beret officer captain ben collins. he is going to be here hopefully you will be too. see you on the "fox news" channel at noon. dobbs. lou: good evening everybody. we begin with breaking news, big news president trump tonight firing fbi director james comey. in a white house statement the president said he acted based on the recommendations of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein and attorney general jeff sessions. "fox news" has obtained the president's letter to director comey. it reads in part, i have accepted their recommendation and you are hereby terminated and removed from your office effective immediately. while i greatly appreciate you informing me on three separate
occasions that i am not under investigation, i nevertheless concur the judgment of the department of justice that you are not able to effectively lead the bureau. it is essential that we find new leadership that restores public trust and confidence in his lawn fourchon and -- law enforcement mission. a senior white house official telling "fox news" that it is coincidental that this firing, this termination occurred on the same day of the news that director comey overstated to congress that omar abedin was forwarding classified information to her husband anthony weiner for him to print pray now. here now to discuss this firing of james comey which some believe to be long long-overdue former u.s. ambassador to the united nations "fox news" contributor john goldman.
ambassador this firing many people had wanted to see it much sooner say on january 20. your thoughts. >> i would certainly one of those i think if you read the deputy attorney general's memo that makes it very clear how many times and in what significant ways call me departed from long-established department of justice principles here in terms of discussing the hillary clinton investigation. i think from the get-go this was all about the greater glory of james comey and so i think what they have done now that they have the deputy attorney general in place so there's no question that this had anything to do with the russia investigation, better late than never on this firing is the way he put it. lou: the targeting points or already playing around -- playing out amongst the democrats the last four democratic officials to speak embrace the quote unquote
smithsonian after two for this termination trigger thoughts about coincidences, femal larry's or none whatsoever? >> there are no similarities here at all. i just think it's a sad day in washington when something that these democrats know was the right thing to do and who basically thought it and many of them said it that they thought that hillary clinton had been victimized by james comey turnaround at a purely partisan fashion and try to make this waterge comparison when comey gave the july press conference about hillary clinton and said he was usurping the attorney general's prerogative and prosecution and later in the october letter on reopening -- reopening the investigation he was wrong, wrong, wrong. this was based on the presumption of innocence and the right of someone to question their accuser.
lou: the coincidence with the misstatements i the director of the fbi talking about hundreds of thousands of classified e-mails. the director of the fbi, the former director of the fbi was absolutely glorious in his presentations before congress. he managed to offend just about everyone in both parties, didn't he? >> look i think this also shows why it's wrong to have congressional hearings and open investigations or even into investigations that are close. i think if you were a private citizen and the government whether to indict you for criminal behavior and they can clone look forward ever reason they are not going to indict that's the end of it. this has been, i will talk about something that is nixonian and watergate related, goes back to
the creation of the independent counsel statute, the special prosecutor statute by peter rodino pretty key provision of that statute was that an independent counsel doesn't indict he has to prepare a public report on his investigation so you get all the dirty linen laid out and the idea that somehow people have a right to know what's going on when the government doesn't prosecute is fundamentally wrong. it's wrong for the democrats to put in the legislationwrong for jim comey who put it out and write for him to be fired tonight. lou: it's an excellent point that you make because the special counsel statute, that's outside the tradition of american jurisprudence. >> and unconstitutional. lou: rod rosenstein the deputy attorney general making precisely that point a man who by the way laid out the values and the regulations in what are
now the traditions of how to report to the public to pursue an investigation or how not to report to the public during an election year. he says straightforwardly, the former director had violated every one of those considerations. i will return quickly to another very important event that is occurring today and that is the apparent deliberation on the part of the president and the counsel of his national security adviser and others. some are referring to it derisively as mcmasters war, the idea of sending as many as we are told, 5000 of our troops back into afghanistan which would be about the 60% increase in the troop levels there. >> i think it depends on what the strategy is. i have been -- not big raise with any internal memos of the
white house. if this is a fact to go after isis and al qaeda and step up our efforts there because of the risks that they posed then i would be in favor of it but if it's part of a larger nation-building strategy i would be against it and i think it's important that people understand there's a difference between a military intervention to defend vital american interests here against terrorist attacks on the one hand versus nation-building on the other. i have never believed we are good at tion-building whether it's a republican president or a democratic predent. i think it depends what on what the strategy is in at this point we don't know. i do think the question of isis and al qaeda were remains in the interest of this country. lou: it is also passing strange that the president is now, it's being suggested the president is deliberating over these troop levels being in breach when he
declared he would not be advertising his thinking strategically whatsoever to the advantage of the enemy. your thoughts. >> i think that's right. this is a clear case where talking about what we are going to do is just advertising to taliban, isis and al qaeda and i will never forget the famous comment that the taliban made about americans are they said you have the watches, we have the time. we have to have the patience or we will be continuously under risk here at home. that doesn't mean we try to make afghanistan into the switzerland of central asia. lou: it does mean things like we don't take 16 years as a superpower and find ourselves in a stalemate with a medieval group of guerrillas who were acting against the interests of the united states. this has been i think a heinous
period of military history, u.s. military history in which a general officers have not been able to provide victory the commander-in-chief, to the american people and i well think it's about time there some humility whether it's the national security adviser or the joint chiefs of staff or whomever advising the commander-in-chief about what they can do, will do and how effectively efficiently and with what finality. >> i think it's widely viewed in the past eight years that the rules of engagement that our forces have had to operate under have been far too restrictive, unduly restraining their ability to do what they need to do in at least one aspect of what's under deliberation now that we are talking about it in public is some granting of increased discretion of commanders in the field which i think if we had done it 10 years ago it might have made a difference in the length of the struggle.
lou: as you see senator chuck schumer has moved to the microphone so with full dispatch and if you will listen and then we would love to get your reaction if we can. otherwise we do understand, if you could give us your thoughts when he concludes. senator chuck schumer. >> that benefited the trump campaign. we know the senate is investigating. we know the fbi has been looking into what the trump campaign alluded with the russians, very serious offense. word these investigations getting too close to home for the president? it is troubling that attorney general sessions who had recused himself from the russian investigation played a role in firing the man.
so what happens now put deputy attorney general rosenstein sat in the judiciary committee and promised to appoint a special prosecutor at the appropriate time. that time is right now. the american people's trust in our criminal justice system is in rosenstein's's hands. mr. rosenstein, america depends on you to restore faith in our criminal justice system which is going to be badly shattered after the administration's actions today. this is part of a deeply troubling pattern from the trump administration. they fired sally yates, they fired pretty for rf and now they fired director comey, the very man leading the investigation. this does not seem to be a coincidence.
this investigation must be run as far away as possible from this white house and as far away as possible from anyone that president trump has appointed. given the way the president fired director comey any person who he appoints to lead the russian investigation will be concerned that he or she will meet the same fate as direct or comey if they run afoul of the administration. the american people need to have faith that an investigation as serious as this one is being conducted impartially without a shred of bias. the only way the american people can have faith in this investigation is for it to be led by a fearless independent special prosecutor.
if deputy attorney general rosenstein does not appoint an independent special prosecutor every american will rightly suspect that the decision to fired director comey was part of a cover-up. i will take one or two questions. lou: we will take a few questions here and see what transpires. >> i simply said to him mr. president you are making a very big mistake and he didn't really answer and i have said from the get-go that i think the special prosecutor is the way to go but now with what has happened it is the only way to go, the only way to go to restore -- lou: manifest proclivity for
irony talking about the insistence that the president act was not a shred of bias or partisan favoritism when schumer himself is the very essence of precisely that on the left, a man who is a dogged determined an absolute partisan whose bias and his partisanship colors everything he says or does, but there it is, his reaction to the president's firing of director james comey. let's return now. ambassador bolton are you still with us? >> yes, i am. lou: thanks for being with us and staying through this. your reaction to this? to me a laughable call for impartiality on the part of the
partisan himself of the left. >> honestly it's pathetic. he knows as well as anybody who looks at the reality here that this firing has nothing to do with the investigation of russian interference in the election. deputy attorney general rosenstein said in his confirmation hearing that he would keep attorney general sessions recused from this matter. session said that in part of his confirmation process. rosenstein is a career department of a justice official in being an alumnus of the department myself i can say these people and the criminal division and the national security division now and a people at the fbi, the career people over there don't look at critical interference in investigations. all that chuck schumer can talk about is an independent counsel. this is a repeat of peter rodino back in the watergate days and
the same thing because they think an independent counsel is more manipulable by the political influence on the hill than a career department product or fbi investigation. lou: as you mentioned rosenstein the deputy attorney general, rosenstein p. is one of the most applauded prosecutors in washington d.c., theserving u.sn justice department history. and attorney general jeff sessions himself impeccable in his accomplishments and the respect and regard of his colleagues rather -- whether the senator the justice department. ambassador bolton thanks for being with us. up next at was only two months ago the comey said he was in it for the next six and a half years. >> you are stuck with me for another six and a half years so
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lou: breaking news at the white house tonight, the president late this afternoon fired fbi director james comey. "fox news" chief white house correspondent john robert live at the white house with the news that has rocked the nation. >> lou i know you have been talking about this with ambassador bolton and you have that schumer press conference. it's interesting lou the way the white house ki of laid this out as preamp did strike. schumer was not able to save much about the deputy attorney general rosenstein because he said in the past and this was on april the 24th of this year just before he was confirmed as he was confirmed on the 25th, 94-6 schumer saying quote he has developed a reputation for integrity. he has promised to give his careful consideration talking
about the russian investigation so would be difficult for schumer to turn around and slam him and schumer said in november of last year of comey that he doesn't have confidence in comey any longer for his decision to send a letter reopening the investigation into clinton's private -- to paint a scenario we are told as happened recently in a back background notes that were given to me via the i director's boss is the deputy attorney general so rosenstein only became his boss and he really only had a bath as of april the 25th. the deputy attorney general was confirmed on the 25th upon taking office rosenstein assessed the situation and concluded that the fbi director had lost his confidence in a few days after that's just this evening he was fired. you could say well rosenstein lost confidence in him and he couldn't do anything about it or you could peel back the onion a lot further and go back to july
of last year after the press conference in which the director said he did not see any reason to prosecute hillary clinton over what she did with your her e-mail server. candidate donald trump was incensed about what comey said. he came back and reopen the investigation but you can't paint a scenario peeling back a layer of the onion that president trump has been gunning for comey all the way back to july of last year but had wait until you get deputy attorney general in place l in order to fire him to do it properly. donald trump's taking a lot of fire for what he did. a lot of democrats are calling it nixonian and he needs to hire a special prosecutor to look into the investigation. lou i would posit that this goes back a lot further than that. lou: indeed it may john. i don't think we know and your speculation would be every bit as good certainly possibly
better than my own but what we do know is that the deputy attorney general was very careful in his notes and i believe we have some of the -- this on the full screen to share with the audience. if we could bring up those full screens that i'm asking for. could we have those? are they available, please? could we have them? thank you. referring to
this note from the deputy attorney general rob rosenstein. as you and i have discussed according to the attorney general however i cannot defend the director's handling of the conclusion of the investigation of secretary clinton's e-mails and i do not understand the refusal to accept the universal judgment that he was mistaken, he being comey. almost everyone agrees that the director made serious mistakes
and this goes beyond the bureau itself. this goes as you will see in this declaration here, it goes to previous justice department leaders going on to say it is one of the few issues that unite people of perspectives, that is that the director made serious and irreparable mistakes, john. i think this is tough stuff. eventually he brings in previous attorneys general, previous deputies attorney general, democrat and republican over the course of the last 30 years. >> he talks about general michael mukasey alberto gonzalez air colder and thompson as well. the paragraph below, what you just quoted the paragraph below he says the director was wrong to usurp the attorney general
and that would have been loretta lynch's authority and announces conclusion that the case should be close without prosecution. basically rosenstein is saying that comey took the law into his own hands and he went about the head of the attorney general and there were no circumstances, no circumstances under which without authorization that the fbi director should do that and in the letter from donald trump to comey which i understand was hand delivered earlier today this scathing and continues with a very unusual paragraph which he said this is the president talking. while i greatly appreciate you informing me on three separate occasions that i'm not under investigation by nevertheless -- lou: excuse me john. i believe we have this up on full screen. let's bring it up here for the audience. if we could, please. here we go. if you would begin again, john. he says while i greatly
appreciate you informing me on three separate occasions, this is the president to fbi comey that i'm not under investigation nonetheless concurred with the judgment of the -- that you were not effectively able to read the the -- lead the bureau. in fact he said i believe yesterday in the wake of the testimony by james clapper and sally yates to the judiciary committee on capitol hill in the senate saying that this whole idea of collusion between the trumcampaign and the russians influencing the election is just a non-story which has been reaffirmed yet again. he says thanks very much and he fires him. lou: to be clear a nonstory reference by the president three times to the director of the fbi who assured him of that fact. we know that james clapper as well as comey said there was no
correlation and at this point there is no evidence whatsoever of any kind of collusion despite the use of a simple amount of taxpayer money to demonstrate otherwise. i think you make an extraordinarily important point, two points. one is that in november chuck schumer who is the most partisan man who carries around more finality and partisan politics i think than any man in that town and that's saying something, has to acknowledge what he said about comey back in november and to rod rosenstein the vote was 96-4, i don't know how many saints get that kind of confirmation in a sec or money as partisan atmosphere that we had in the swamp of washington. >> i think that's probably why
senator schumer's remarks were limited to this idea but this does not appear to be coincidental and in fact rosenstein has to appoint a special prosecutor. he did not criticize the man because he praised him just two weeks ago and he couldn't praise comey because he criticized him two months ago. he's a little bit of a box here. lou: a box of his own making. john roberts, thank you sir for your outstanding work is always john roberts. up next we are following the breaking news on the termination of former director of the fbi james comey. kimberly guilfoyle joins me next. stay with us. we will be right back. i count on my dell small business advisor for tech advice. with one phone call, i get products that suit my needs and i get back to business. ♪ ♪
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immediately filed a lawsuit against local officials opposed to the sanctuary law a preemptive move to prevent lengthy lawsuits from derailing the measure. under the law officers who refused to cooperate with federal immigration agents in the law could face jail time and fines up to $25,000 a day. joining me now to discuss the crackdown on sanctuary cities the breaking news on the firing by the president of fbi director james comey. we are pleased to welcome to the broaast kimberly guilfoyle cohosted the fight. welcome angry to see you. >> another historic day in the presidency of donald j.j. trump repeated something here that was bold, that was decisive and nx leadership decision. as a former prosecutor thoughts director comey's behavior was a war and during this whole process and investigation. he really overstepped his bounds right from the beginning when he made a determination, legal
determination as to whether or not a case could be brought against hillary clinton. that was the beginning of the end and after that he kept inserting himself into the public arena making statements to shape the investigation and ultimately trying to take the call away from loretta lynch. doing an about-face and making another statement which then really unfairly cast a cloud over the election of donald trump when instead they should have been focused on the real reason that he won and why hillary clinton was defeated, because she was a horrible candidate and working-class men and women were left behind. lou: the attorney general rod rosenstein is a career prosecutor, the longest-serving u.s. tourney in american history and it shows in his letter to the attorney general, he lays out a complaint that is without any question persuasive and complete and it's clear that
this goes back to july when director comey chose to go public and to be sort of cassandra and hamlet at the same time and basically try to talk about concealment by the fbi. by the time you get back to his recent testimony he wasn't just pulling information from the public to accept the traditions of the fbi, he was concerned about it in concealed. a value laden word is the deputy attorney general said, i mean the director was out of his mind here. >> conduct unbecoming most certainly and when you size testimony just really appalling. it's upsetting to me as an officer of the court working all those years as a prosecutor. when you take an oath to uphold the law and this man in a position is supposed to be entrusted with the united states and with the citizens really has
let people down. he let down the fbi and the reputation of the fbi. i think donald trump made the right decision following the recommendation of his age he and deputy a.g. who put together persuasive document that was compelling in its entirety and did call for this man to be fired. lou: as a former prosecutor i would like to hear your thoughts and reactions as to when the statements the a.g. put forward, rosenstein. let's go to the comments about judge lawrence silverman and with a full screen if you have that. he says judge lawrence, do we have that? i keep hearing it's coming and i think -- think the audience for your patience. judge lawrence silverman who served as deputy attorney general under president ford wrote that quote it's not the bureau's responsibility to
appoint out whether a matter should be prosecuted. silverman this is the extraordinary part in the wake of this statement. he believes that the director's performance was so inappropriate for an fbi director that he announced the bureau will ever completely broke recovered. >> i echo his sentiments and his assessment here and that's what i've been talking about for almost a year now in terms of the iroprty, really the erstepping and overreach of the bounds of what his role is to this man wanted to be a one-man play rather than being the jury deciding the facts trying to shape the election and god knows what direction this is something president trump needed to do. >> does this also set the foundation for the reopening of the prosecution of hillary clinton and to move forward with the case against her on these e-mails because just about
everybody in the field wanted that prosecution to move forward. >> most certainly they need to have a thorough impartial review and not by somebody that was working side-by-side with comey in terms of making in the valuation and presenting it and guess what, those facts and that evidence needs to be given to a.g. session for him to decide because he's not going to oversee that particular investigation. lou: as you said a historic day. thank you very much kimberly guilfoyle, 9:00 p.m. on the "fox news" channel. as you may have heard or full hour on this. we are following the breaking news on the termination of the director the fbi. chief operating officer john solomon joins me to weigh in nenenenene i'm worried i can't find a safe used car. you could start your search at the all-new carfax.com
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lou: as we are following the firing of director comey from the f. b. i shocking new report reveals just how far the obama administration went to survey all american citizens and then to unmask many of them in intercepts including trump transition officials. circa news reports more than 30,000 searches seeking information about american
citizens last year, calls and e-mails intercepted from nearly 5300 american citizens and the result over 3100 in that report with the names of unmasked americans distributed across the vernment. james comey shunting shockwaves across the country michael smith "the news york times" moments ago tweeted comey learned of his firing as he addressed fbi employees in los angeles. tv screens in the background flashing news of his firing. the letter was then given to the fbi for joining me to discuss the obama demonstrations on masking and surveillance of american citizens trump transition officials comey's firing today in much more. john solomon is the chief operating officer of circa news and john it's great to have you with us. first the president's decision
to fire james comey upon the recommendation of the attorney general. >> it's a big moment. it's a rare moment for an f. the i director to be removed from office before his term is done but i think it's an opportunity for the fbi to have a fresh reboot. i've been covering the fbi for 20 years and i've heard a lot of people and said the bureau worried about the repetition of the bureau and how it suffered under director comey. everyone likes him personally but a lot of the decisions were viewed as ham-handed and outside lead for a lot of criticism. >> i think there's some sense of what in the hell is this director doing amongst the agents. especially the field agents who were recommending prosecution of hillary clinton and heard their director saying we are going the other way. >> i think that's right. i think you want to be a little
bit of a judge and a little bit of her prosecutor and an fbi director in the middle. lou: a saint and perhaps both. >> the joe friday routine of james comey finally wore end. i think lawmakers got tired of that sanctimony simon is trying to do the right thing when they were trying to get answers further questions. i think that was another contributing factor when you look over the last few years. lou: the epitaph for his career may have been the words expressed by the senate judiciary committee chairman chuck grassley who upon asking why private citizens were able through foia get more information than in the oversight committee that is the judiciary committee of the senate, the director of replied he could not justify it and senator grassley said appropriately you got it in absolutely frustration at the
director and frustration and disgust that was felt across much of the government. let's turn to mike rogers testifying and going in the opposite direction of comey and others from the intelligence committee saying straightforwardly that he doubts the assessment by the fbi that russia actually preferred or wanted donald trump to win. >> this is something i heard a lot reported a month ago that the people inside the fbi the russian experts who doubted whether helping donald trump was really the goal of the russians. in fact i think what you heard today was nsa director said we had the best moderate competence they were trying to help donald trump. certainly they were trying to impact the election but it wasn't clear to the nsa at least not beyond a moderate level of competence. i think this is something that
is true and people try to simplify things is black-and-white. there's a lot of debate and a lot of people don't always agree that the first time that we heard some of that set in public lou: there are a lot of gray areas and there is some ambiguity in bright minds and write trained intelligence minds have to make those judgments, and difficult judgments often. amongst that the lingering and frustrating questions that are never asked or answered it seems and that is why in the world was the f. d i pushed away by the dnc in 2016 as they are informed that the russians are hacking them and secondly why did the f. d i permit it? why has that never been a public focus in any part of this? >> i have learned this the hard
way as a reporter, counterintelligence investigations are incredibly complex and they take a lot of time and what do you see the beginning often may not be reality again. takes a long time to feel that the onions and one of the unfortunate part about the leaks that occurred in a late election period and into the transition is because snapshots of the thinking of the time that's not the complete picture but i'm absolutely confident lemaire done the final picture of the russian investigation will be very different than what was leaked in december and january and that's one of the abortion of parts about the leaks that we got a half-baked picture. there's a lot of work that needs to be done by very good people bad on the intelligence front will tell us. lou: am i going to get some answers to my questions as the onion peels. >> in good time. lou: john thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it as always for your great reporting. john solomon who makes it all happen certainly.
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had to happen based on what the director did last year in the hillary clinton e-mail case. he made a prosecutor's decision as the head of an investigative agency and that's absolutely the wrong thing to do. he's a wonderful guy, a fine person and there's no joy in mudville tonight, but it's a very, very sad affair that the director is terminated, but when you are director and you're running an investigative agency, i don't care what loretta lynch said, even if she asked him to make the prosecutor's opinion, he's not in that position to do so. i imagine he was biased by his position in the department of justice before that, but in this case, the ball should have been bounced back across pennsylvania avenue into the justice department for them to convene a grand jury. he was working an inquiry, lou, not an investigation.
he didn't have subpoena power, none of those things, he couldn't get it to the grand jury. to make a prosecut's opinion that's wrong for the director to make. >> you and former fbi officials telling us at the time that a grand jury should have been empanelled without questioned. and barbara, you have a great regard for the institution of the fbi and the people who work there. your thoughts? >> indeed, well, i think he's an incredibly and honorable man and had a distinguished career. that said, if he lost the confidence of the president and the attorney general, it's time to go. you can have somebody like the director of the fbi that makes hard tough political decisions
and at the end of the day is politically accountable. >> where do we go from here? the deputy director of the fbi, the number two is andrew mccabe, who himself has been accused of conflict of intere interest, bill, because his wife is a democrat, a former democr democratic candidate who received funding from none other than gary-- excuse me, governor terry mccauliffe of virginia, hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> well, i'm quite sure, lou, the next director will come from outside the fbi, just like most have come except for hoover. we've had directors such as kelly and louis freeh with former expernce and this next director haso come from outside the fbi. to have andyccabe named,
that's not going to happen. if he's going to be acting director, i'm not sure how we can work with that. but a full director of the fbi must come from outside at this point in time. i want to nominate jim, frankly. >> jim is a great former fbi agent with a distinguished career and i'll let him know that-- of your nomination straight away. [laughter] >> barbara, your thoughts here on next steps? we've listened to chuck schumer, who questioned the integrity of james comey in november, who applauded the excellence, the qualifications of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein as recently as april 24th, a day before he was confirmed to his post. where are we headed?
>> well, i'm reminded of when attorney general albert albert gonzales stepped down. and there were allegations then that the department was too political and senators were going to be unhappy with whatever replaced him. and i think probable did a great thing, a judge whose questions were unquestioned and president trump would be well-served, maybe somebody on the bench for decades and regarded as an esteemed member of the community and democrats can get behind as fair and a straight shooter. >> you know, it's interesting the suggestion, you know, it's going to be fascinating to watch what proceeds from here, but as the deputy attorney general and as jeff sessions laid out in their memoranda, this was a -- this was the only