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so many people sent me the best stories and testimonials thank you so much for supporting it and i'm glad so many of you liked it. that's all the time we have left this evening. the debut, laura ingraham live, the ingraham angle and i'm so proud of you and happy for you. wish you all the success. >> laura: thank you so much, sean. really appreciate it and, welcome, everyone, to the debut of the ingraham angle. we're going to dive in today's indictments and implications for the trump administration and, of course, our exclusive interview with white house chief of staff john kelly shortly. but, first, the angle. ♪ i want to start by posing a basic question. the one sinatra asked that old song what is america to me? it's a question that gets lost in the constant infighting that consumes us here in washington. ronald reagan said that the american dream is not that every man must be level with every other man. the american dream is that
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every man must be free to become whatever god intends he should become. but over the past few decades, the government became an obstacle to people realizing that dream. look, politics is supposed to be a career devoted to public service, protecting our life, our liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. but, for too long, it was dominated by special interest, big business, and, of course, the media elites. the politicians were supposed to be helping you. instead, they helped themselves. they were elected to run the government, not to run you over with it. millions of americans voted for trump because they had had enough. they were tired of being bullied by politicians and the so-called experts who gave us endless wars, saddled us with $20 billion in debt and left us open to
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more open than harvey weinstein's robe. they were tired of the elites in washington, d.c. and media establishment that didn't just cover them but covered for them. day to day, what do most of you worry about? paying the bills? sending your kids to a decent school, your healthcare, maybe saving something for retirement? most of us, i think, want three things. prosperity, safety, liberty. and that includes preserving our history so far, despite the endless negative reporting we, the people, are doing pretty well under trump. the economy is soaring. unemployment is down, the trade deficit is down. trump is renegotiating nafta and other unfair and outdated trade deals. he's reformed the v.a. he has appointed incredible judges to the federal bench. more coming this week. and of course justice gorsuch to the supreme court. he is enforcing the border, novel concept, and deporting
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violent criminals. who doesn't want that? so, what are trump's opponents resisting again? i'll tell you. what they're really resisting is losing power. the people took their power back on election day and the establishment is mad as hell. let's face it. they really don't like the american people, not very much at least or their forefathers. there's a self-loathing in the air. do you feel it? forces hell bent on erasing our historical memory? american monuments, works of art, literature the remembrances of men and women who imperfectly made their mark on the american experiment are being ripped from the classrooms and the public square. the memory and works of washington, jefferson, general lee, heck, even harper lee are being sacrificed on the high altar of political correctness. what kind of country are we
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leaving our children? we owe future generations the opportunity to understand the glories and, yes, the sins of the people who made these united states of america. our children have a right to be fully informed, a right to a complete record of what went before, and, yes, the chance to ask themselves, in time, what is america to me? in george washington's farewell address written with alexander hamilton, he said: of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, religion, and morality are indispensable supports. in vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness. the firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. what we believe our love of god, family, and country. these aren't trite relics of
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the past, but at the very core of who we are as americans. this show is going to be about all of this. and certainly the political, the legal, and the cultural battles of the day. but, something more. how all of that affects your life and that of your family's. i take all of this very personally. i'm doing this because i care about what happens to this country, to our children, and our children's children. now, there will be times where you disagree with me and sometimes vehemently so. i'm sure you will let me know. all i'll say is i'm going to call it as i see it as i have done for the last 20 years. i'm going to get answers for you. i will hold the powerful accountable, and that includes you, mr. president. and every night with you we'll continue to answer this question. what is america to me? to all of us? now, as promised, my exclusive interview with white house chief of staff
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general john kelly. we began with the indictments announced in the special counsel robert mueller's russia probe today. >> general kelly, thanks for being with us. >> you're welcome. >> laura: let's start with the news today these inindictments were handed down. paul manafort, of course, his associate, mr. gates, and another minor aid to the trump administration, george papadopoulos. what's the administration's reaction? i saw a tweet early this morning, but what's the reaction? >> well, i would offer to you first of all, laura, my job is such that i am completely consumed between 0600 in the morning and when i get home at night which is pretty late. i'm not in a position to watch very much tv. i know the gentlemen inkited today, all of the activities as i understand it they were indicted for was long before they ever met donald trump or had any association with the campaign. but, i think the reaction of the administration is what the legal justice system work, everyone is
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innocent -- presumed innocent and we will see where it goes. >> laura: with being chief of staff as you are now now three months in, is this a difficult moment for the staff? or is staff worried when indictments start being handed down that this is just the first, second, third shoe to drop and there will be many to follow. >> the staff is comfortable serving the nation. the vast majority of the staff would have nothing to do with any of this kind of thing. there is no worry about it. everyone is just doing the things that they were hired to do to serve the nation. >> laura: i think the president has made it clear what he thinks about the uranium one story and the fusion gps story. but what do you think? do you think there should be a special counsel appointed to investigate all of these narratives coming out with the dnc and clinton campaign, actually funding research that was in part compiled by the kremlin? >> right. >> laura: kremlin associates. >> i'm one of those people who think the american really do have a right to know what their government does, have a right to know what their government is doing on any given day.
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and by the same token what private citizens are doing if they break the law. again, everyone is presumed innocent, but i think with the focus of -- that's been on mr. trump and the focus that's been on this russian collusion, which, of course, is not the case at all with mr. trump. we're very, very confident that these kind of accusations, you know, unfortunately, the u.s. population outside of the echo chamber that is washington essentially could care less about washington, d.c. if you go out there in the hither lands, people don't care. they're disgusted. if you look at the rates of acceptance among the u.s. population, the u.s. congress, the media is all way down in the single digits or in teens. most people in america look at washington with amusement but not with an awful lot of respect or interest. so i think it's doublely important that when these kind of accusations are made that they should be
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investigated. >> laura: is there any sense that bob mueller, heading the fbi at a time when this is being approved, the uranium one and that he should recuse himself from any such investigation? >> i think mr. mueller is pretty busy doing what he is doing. >> laura: should there be another special prosecutor? >> again, i'm not a lawyer, one of the strengths i have in looking at issues in my job, i think probably as a layman looking at this kind of thing we need to find someone who is very, very objective who can get to the bottom of these accusations. i think it's important. again, the american people have an absolute right to know these things unless things are classified. this administration certainly, you saw mr. trump do this the other day, when he demanded that the jfk documents be released in their entirety was very, very few redactions. but nothing held back. and that's where he is on this. and certainly that's where i am. >> laura: do you hope to wrap this up soon with mueller. >> yeah it should wrap up soon. it would seem that they're
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towards the end of the witness pile. and, i don't know how much longer it could possibly go on. but we are in great hopes that it wraps up. it is very distracting to the president as it would be to any citizen to be investigated for something while at the same time trying to carry the weight of what being president of the united states means on his shoulder. >> laura: how many typhow much s this take up for him. >> he and i have had multiple conversations a day. generally in the morning when we first talk, it will be about these kind of things, just general conversation before we get down to business, but it is very distracting for him. >> laura: you have a big trip to asia coming this up week. >> we do. >> laura: previous administration was supposed to pivot to saudi arabia shah and we never saw it what's the administration's goal on this trip? >> first of all, he has great relationships with the leadership in south korea, japan, and china. and then, of course, a commitment to that region of the world to be involved.
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so he is going to build on those relationships and, of course, we will do two conferences. one in vietnam and we will go to hanoi to touch base with the national leadership there and go to the philippines where he will meet for conferences but where he will meet the president of the philippines. all of this is just to solidify relationships that are already pretty positive in my view. >> laura: japan wants a nuclear language from the united states. if north korea should launch an attack on japan. they want to feel like there will be a strike by the united states. are you guys going to give them that language that they want? >> commitment is in place for us to help. >> laura: overwhelming force is not necessarily saying nuclear response. >> that's exactly right. what we really hope or what i should say what the president really hopes and all men and women of goodwill feel this way is that the leadership, such as it is in north korea come to their senses and with the help of countries like china decide to denuclearize, give up their atomic weapons. there is no reason for them,
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serve no purpose for that country. just destabilizes a number of relationships and obviously icbm program absolutely no reason. but i don't think we can have a country like north korea have a icbm that can deliver a nuclear -- thermal nuclear device on the mainland of the united states. they already have the capability to at least reach with missiles to the great american citizens that live in guam. >> laura: congressman trent franks talked about the possibility of north korea with its hydrogen bomb capabilities ultimately being able to explode an emp over the middle of the country, you know, electromagnetic pulse bomb. and you play that out, that could ultimately lead to the death of like 90% of the country, cars don't work, computers don't work, nothing works without the computer any longer. what about that? i mean, that's a scenario that newt gingrich wrote a novel about that.
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but it's -- that is the kind of thing that i think about keeping you up at night because when i started reading about that, that really is terrifying. >> and that's why he cannot have an icbm that can deliver a survivable nuclear device to the homeland. they are coming close, laura. >> laura: yeah, it kept you up at night. you said this is the issue that kept you up at night more than any other issue. is it still? >> it certainly still is because it's such a destabilizing. but the great hope we all have and they are already doing this, is that the chinese exert their pressure -- they are already observing the sanctions, we know that, to exert pressure on the leadership in north korea. we have great hopes for the russians as well. >> laura: president xi was just reelected. he is being compared now to chairman move. he's of that stature in china. the president tweeted out a comment basically congratulating president xi on this historic victory, i'm paraphrasing.
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momove killed 60 million people. why are we celebrity xi's. is it because we need their help in the north korea problem? >> as americans are, we can't conceive of accepting a government like that, such as it is. but that is not us to pass judgment on. i think working with people no matter who they are is better than not talking to them. they have a system of government that is apparently worked for the chinese people. >> laura: not all of them. there is a lot of christians it doesn't work for. >> let's hope this is a new kind of leader and not look back so many decades. >> laura: what's our relationship with china? are they friends? foe? trading partner? how would you describe them? >> they beat us pretty badly in terms of trade. that doesn't make them an enemy. think are our, to say the least, a world power. that doesn't make them an
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enemy. they probably in many ways have been smarter than we are in terms of business and trade president trump is committed to changing that relationship on a collegial basis. the disparity between what we buy and sell from them is very great. but, by no means, are they -- i wouldn't even consider them competitors, necessarily, just simply another world power. >> laura: 360 billion-dollar trade deficit. >> i think it's closer to five. whose fault is that? that's our fault. >> laura: they are doing what's good for them. >> my hat is off to them for taking advantage whatever they have been able to take advantage of to have that trade relationship. this president is committed to changing that relationship. but to do it in a, you know, collegial way. >> laura: we have an acting assistant secretary for central and south asian affairs at state. we still do not have a permanent assistant secretary. in other words, a career diplomat, no offense to alicia wells, but it's not trump's pick. why is that? why the snail's pace of
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getting people nominated and approved? >> well, the names have been put forward in most cases. i think we're -- the president was making his case last week when he had lunch with the republican caucus on the senate side. if you compare where this administration is relative to the obama administration, we are way, way behind. maybe less -- maybe half the number of those confirmed. and even under the last bush administration, we're way behind. you know, the senate democratic leadership has been very, very effective in slowing things down to a snail's pace. >> laura: as the secretary of state slowed things down at state department? i mean, reports are that there's a bit of a divide there that some of the names that the president wanted have been rejected. that means then we don't have these key positions filled. >> i would tell you that there is an awful lot of incredible vetting that goes on. so, before you're nominated to take a position or even before the president
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considers you, and before the secretary considers you, there is a tremendous amount of vetting that goes on. frankly a lot of people have complicated finances and complicated lives. >> laura: those positions are going to be filled though. >> they will be filled. >> laura: at one point you said on the refugee question 0. 145,000 refugees. traditionally 20,000. very few christians coming. in what's happening there and why that number is so large given what you advocated and what the president trump campaigned on. >> i don't ever remember -- i read that actually my wife told me. >> laura: your wife did? she is always right by the way. >> i don't remember saying between zero and one. my time at dhs was definitely we should not take refugees into the country unless we know who they are and consequently we have improved the vetting process. the vetting process to date,
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although it's lengthy, the vast majority of it is a two-year wait to consume into the country. the point is we are down from 110, 45,000. one of the things that always does astound me about the refugee question is there is about 65 million people who i think by u.n. numbers large number anyways, that are technically refugees. and the only a tiny fraction of that can be brought to the united states or to western europe or australia. it just seems to me, and most people that i think if they think about the refugee issue it's temporarily problem. best thing to do to house them as close to their countries as possible. and to help solve the problems inside the kin tri like we have, say, in syria. >> laura: you are satisfied with the 45,000? that's a good number? >> yeah. i don't know where this zero to one ever came from. >> laura: how are we extreme vetting? what is extreme vetting? >> extreme vetting is we simply interview people and have to satisfy our selves
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that the person we're talking to is, indeed, the person who they claim. >> laura: very tough to do in some cases. >> impossible to do in some cases. >> laura: you can't verify that they are not coming in. >> if we can't verify i don't think we should let them into the country. >> laura: much more of my interview with general kelly in a moment, including his intense public feud with democratic congresswoman fredericka wilson. >> i will apologize if i need to. something like, this absolutely not. i stand by my comments. ♪ ♪ ng places. i've always wanted to create those experiences for others. with my advisor's help along the way, it's finally my turn to be the host.
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>> laura: welcome back to the ingraham angle. my interview with white house chief of staff john kelly continues. he addresses some recent controversies, including the removal of historic monuments. and his dispute with democratic congresswoman fredericka wilson. let's move onto the fredericka wilson issue when she overheard the conversation. >> the congresswoman? >> laura: the congresswoman. she overheard the conversation of the gold star widow and this blew up into a huge controversy. you came out into the pressroom and you gave what was all by all accounts a riveting account of your reaction to this. at the time you said you were so upset you went to
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arlington national cemetery. can you tell us a little bit more about that? why did you go to arlington and what did you do there? what did you hear? >> i would, of all -- i was stunned, laura. of all of the things i thought that were left in terms of things that we hold up as special in our country, and most of them have gone by the wayside. i think i mentioned some of them to include our flag and our anthem. those are all passe, i guess. one thing i thought was the ultimate sacrifice of the nation and families that bear that hurt and to have seen the president make a phone call and do the best he could standing right next to him, she wasn't on speaker phone, but to hear him talk to four next of kin that day and essentially the message was the same. and he did the best he could to make it personal. and the best he could to make them understand how
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sorry he was as the president and as a father himself. and then to see what came of that just was stunning to me. you know, i made reference to an appearance that the congresswoman made, you know. >> laura: 2015? >> yeah. you know, a number of people that were there after she said what she said about me were volunteered to come forward because they saw her both before and after her official comments. i said no, let's not do. this these are fbi agents. former fbi agents that were there. that part of it we should let go. what did i hear over in arlington cemetery? some of the stones over there represent young people that i sent out to battle and they died. not to make it more mellow dramatic than it is, but my wondering was is this -- is any of this worth it anymore? >> laura: meaning working in the white house? >> or doing anything -- is
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it worth it anymore? if someone can make political hay out of something that the president was trying to do and, of course, the screams, you know, a lot of the viewers will laugh at this, i'm sure, the screams out of the graves was, you know, what are you talking about, kelly? you got it easy. look where we are. it's worth it. it's worth it to fight for america and the good news is, i think, outside of this cesspool, swamp, whatever it's called, we are americans that just doing the best they can, working hard, raising their family, paying their taxes, hoping to send their kids off to college some day. that makes it all worthwhile. it was absolutely depressing to me to see how that was turned into a political event. i just don't know how anyone could possibly criticize another human being for doing the best he or she could do to express sorrow from the bottom of their hearts. i just -- it was stunning to me. >> laura: the widow of la david johnson basically
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corroborated what said. her comments. fredericka in her speech did not brag about getting funding as you indicated in your remarks. i actually watched fredericka's speech and she certainly used the word i a lot in talking about how -- i think we actually have a clip of it? >> i said i'm a school principal. and i said excuse my french, oh, hell no. [laughter] we're going to get this done. i worked attack mode. i presented it. we all voted. and i dashed it over to the senate. and put our senators on notice and guess what? the president signed the bill into law this past tuesday, april 7th, 2015 with a bang, bang, bang. [applause] >> i will go back and talk about before her comments and at the reception
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afterwards, again, it was a package deal. i don't want to get into it. as far as the young widow goes, she has every right to say what she wants to say. but, it's the politicization of something that was so from the heart. >> laura: do you feel like have you something to apologize? >> do i? >> laura: yeah. >> oh no, never. never. i will apologize if i need to. for something like, this absolutely not. i stand by my comments. >> laura: what do you pray for? >> i pray for world peace. i pray for our society that seems to be so broken right now and against itself. i pray for my family. i pray for my son and all the fallen. i pray for a lot. >> laura: a prominent church in alexandria, virginia, where george washington worshipped, historic, of course, and robert e. lee. >> i think i saw this yesterday. >> laura: they decided to pull the plaques
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memorializing both george washington and robert e. lee because they want the church to be inclusive and be considered more tolerant. what is your reaction to that type of attempt to pull down little markers of history? >> well, history is history. and there are certain things in history that were not so good and other things are very, very good. i think we make a mistake though as a society and certainly as individuals when we take what is today accepted as right and wrong and go back 100, 200, 300 years or more and say what those -- you know, what christopher columbus did was wrong. you know, 500 years later it's inconceivable to me that you would take what we think now and apply it back then. i think it's just very, very dangerous. it shows you what -- how much of a lack of appreciation of history and what history is. i would tell you that robert
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e. lee was an honorable man. he was a man that gave up his country to fight for his state which in 150 years ago was more important than country. it was always loyalty to state first back in those days. now it's different today. but the lack of an ability to compromise led to the civil war. and men and women of good faith on both sides made their stand where their conscience had to make their stand. >> laura: pulling down the washington monument at some point. what are they going to rename the general? running outs of names. >> we can find some cult hero that we can put up there and say he really was the great one. andy warhol or someone like that. >> laura: warhol monument. >> yeah. >> laura: congressional never trumpers, jeff flake, john mccain, they are resisting the trump agenda.
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a lot of it anyways. how with you at the white house deal with that keep all wings of the republican party together? is it possible to make so that everybody feels like they are getting a say in this process so they don't feel left out? >> yeah. as i say, he talks directly to members of congress on both sides of the aisle. both sides of the hill on a regular basis. he doesn't hesitate to pick up the phone and call a democrat and get their sense of what's going on? >> laura: who the most mr. schumer. >> mr. schumer certainly he has interacted with people like ms. mccaskill and invites them sometimes to go on trips. mr. donnelly from indiana went on a trip out to his home state. he doesn't hesitate to call. he has learned -- i don't think he will ever accept that politics sometimes trumps what's good for america. we're doing the tax cut debate not debate but the house and the senate are developing their plans. >> laura: doesn't he have to
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get engaged though he? didn't get engaged on okay anobamacareand that went down t. >> is he very engaged. what we are about to see is the agents of the swamp are going to start. there is already amassing to stop some of the things that the house, senate bills have in them what the president wants. he is going to take them on and he is going to take this thing down to the wire. but he wants to work and is working with the congress, both sides of the hill. and i think there is going to be a great tax cut come out of this. if there isn't, it won't be because. >> >> laura: is there an if? >> no. i don't think there is an if. that's a great point. he will fight tooth and nail to get what he believes is best for the american people to get a tax cut and stimulate our economy. >> laura: one final question. halloween. if you could be one character, just one, dress up as someone, general, who would it be? >> oh, a marine sergeant. infantry man.
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>> laura: good man. thanks so much. >> sure. >> laura: appreciate it? >> hope it went well. >> laura: and up next, what you really need to know about the mueller indictment. we'll be joined by former u.s. attorney general mike mukasey and a former senior counsel on ken starr's clinton investigation coming up. ♪ ♪ here's the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let's go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win's family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. in the mirror everyday. when i look when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day,
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>> today's announcement has nothing to do with the president. it has nothing to do with the president's campaign or campaign activity. we've been saying from day one there has been no evidence of trump/russia collusion and nothing in the indictment today changes that at all. >> laura: there was one potentially troublesome announcement by mueller. a low level foreign policy volunteer to the trump campaign, his name is george papadopoulos pled guilty to lying to federal agents about his contact with the russian national. joining us now for reaction in new york former u.s. attorney general mike mukasey and here in washington paul rosen, a former counsel for, of course, ken starr's clinton investigation. gentlemen, it's great to see both of you. let's start with judge mukasey. judge, take it away. you saw the indictments and the agreement, the plea deal that papadopoulos agreed to. he pled to lying to federal agents. what's your take?
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>> i did. the first thing i have to comment on because of the contrast between the segment that you just broadcast and what we're going to be talking about now is that the contrast between somebody like general kelly and some of the pigmies that we are going to be talking about now between his sense of history, his personal sacrifice and what they are doing couldn't be greater. and you are stressing the importance of thinking about what the country means at the beginning of your show is going to be in stark relief when somebody draws a contrast between these two segments. that said, these indictments were in a way revealing of, in a sense of how small some of the is. the manafort indictment, of course, was of activity that began well before the campaign. activity in which he and his co-defendant apparently were
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involved. and as you've pointed out, it didn't deal directly, didn't deal indeed at all with what is supposed to be the central concern of the special counsel. that is a question of whether there was or wasn't collusion which in and of itself is not a crime. but, in any event, that's supposed to be the focus of his activity. so far as the papadopoulos charge to which he pleaded guilty, that was making false statements about his -- the timing of his contact with some russian officials and what or people who said they were russian officials. and what's most striking about the recitation of facts there is how he was apparently trying to arrange contact between the trump campaign and the russians and wasn't getting anywhere. and in the end, no meetings were held. in the end, no information was exchanged. in the end, the emails that
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were dangle in front of him, the same way they were dangle in front of trump jr. were never produced. the only emails of course we heard about were emails hacked from the democratic national committee. not emails from hillary clinton's server. >> laura: all right. so, papadopoulos though could be a real problem. and why? or he is a volunteer capacity. was he trying to get in big with the larger campaign structure? they reference a couple of different campaign supervisors. they are calling him a cooperating witness of some sort? >> i think it's premature to characterize mr. papadopoulos' small deer. i think it is not yet clear the extent of what he has told the special counsel. clearly he has named at least two more senior trump advisors in the campaign as part pants in his
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participants in his discussions. i thought the most important thing about the entire papadopoulos episode was that in his original appearance back in july the government sought to keep his arrest sealed because of his proactive cooperation with the. >> laura: he gave many interviews. >> proactive cooperation suggests more than interviews. it suggests that he might have actually been an active participant in the investigation. >> laura: wired? >> either through emails or through wiring. i don't know that, but proactive does not mean reactive interviews. it means some kind of affirmative assistance. >> laura: so there could have been a wire placed on papadopoulos. he could have called some of these people who have since been identified by other media outlets, corey lewandowski, sam clovis. they were named as unnamed campaign supervisor. >> it wouldn't surprise me at all if he made calls.
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>> laura: judge, what happens ultimately here with this investigation if you had to game it out now. it's impossible you have limitless budget. >> you can't game it out. the one thing i would point out is that if he was proactive in a way that's just been suggested, one hopes that he was kept under pretty tight control about who he had conversations with. because, during that investigation, some of those people were represented by counsel. and if he had conversations with people who were represented by counsel, that's going to trip people up in a very big way. >> do you think this special council going to be appointed in these other russia scandals get to next block uranium one special counsel on the special counsel? >> i think that's one special counsel too many. >> laura: yeah, too many. >> maybe two. >> laura: i'm sorry, i think the whole statute is unconstitutional. that's just me. i'm with judge work who believed that judge mukasey and mr. rosensweig great to
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♪ >> laura: while the mueller investigation is garnering all the headlines, many republicans are asking why possible collusion between the clinton campaign and russia is being largely ignored. that comes after the "the washington post" revealed hillary clinton's campaign helped fund a salacious dossier about president trump. congressman trey gowdy wants to know exactly who authorized the dossier's funding. >> one of the areas of significance, chris is, just how far the democrats in congress fault republicans for trying to gain access to this information. if it were up to adam schiff and other democrats, who, of course, want all the facts to come out. they want all the facts of russia to come out except who financed the dossier. i'm also interested in sharing some memory tricks with folks at the dnc because no one can remember who paid $10 million to a law firm to do opo research. i find that stunning.
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$10 million and no one can remember who authorized it, who approved it? >> laura: that's a lot of billable hours speaking as a former attorney. joining me now for reaction is congressman devon noon in nenunes.you look great at this . >> good to be here. >> laura: thanks for being on our first show. where are we now on this. make it easy for our viewers to understand and follow on this. where are we today? >> there are a lot of moving parts. let's start with we still have information from fusion gps that we need from the bank. we still have a whole host of information from the department of justice and fbi that we hope to begin to get tomorrow we are really just at the beginning of unraveling questions that we've been asking since march. and let me go to what mr. gowdy's comment was there. if people really believe that the fbi did not know who paid for that dossier, i've got a bridge to sell
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you. there is no possible way that the fbi did not know who paid for that dossier. and, yet, month after month after month. >> laura: who is specifically lying at the fbi? >> we don't know is it just comey or is it the whole fbi? and let's just take -- >> laura: what you are saying about the fbi there, that's quite a charge. >> absolutely. this is the government out of control. >> laura: that this is, we hear about deep state, we hear about forces burrowed in the government working against the people's interest. the need to know. transparency in government. >> it's not okay for us to ask, since march, who paid for the dossier, what did you use the dossier for. and then it comes out only because of subpoenas to the bank and the bank was going to have to produce the subpoenas. >> laura: then all of a sudden they cut a deal. >> then they cut a deal. >> laura: where are we with these bank records? i read today that you're in the process of getting them and did they just willingly turn them over? >> we're fighting in court. >> laura: that's the key,
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right? seeing where the money went specifically and will it illustrate for what? >> well, we have a whole bunch of questions about fusion gps. there is a whole host. we want to know were they being paid by russians? >> laura: they have russian clients. they said they separated, right? they separated the russian clients from the clinton dnc work. that's what they claim. >> so they say but, look, we're investigating. this. >> laura: yeah. >> we need the information. we have the fbi and other agencies who either didn't tell us who paid for the dossier or didn't know, which would be equally disturbing. but my guess is somebody over there knew who paid for the dossier. >> laura: should mueller resign special prosecutor given. he was fbi director, correct? >> number one, i'm very concerned about it. okay? let's see today he had these initial indictments. i think on the show earlier it right way which is there is nothing there. let's see where he goes from
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here. if this continues to drag on and on and on, then we're going to have a problem. because right now what i see is we have fusion gps obstructing the investigation. the democrats obstructing our investigation. and the government, the executive branch obstructing our investigation. >> laura: could obama have known about this? >> well, he was briefed on the dossier. >> laura: in january, supposedly he didn't know anything about it beforehand. why would he? this is $10 billion paid to perkins coie law firm but then funneled it to fusion gps. why did the payment do that way, fusion to christopher steele got the information from russia. >> to cover the tracks. to cover the tracks. >> laura: right. >> i think it's hard to believe that when president obama was being briefed on this dossier that all of his intelligence people, the best intelligence agencies in the world had no idea who paid for that information. >> laura: adam schiff, your
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democrat counterpart has said that you have become, you, have become an obstacle to the trump/russia collusion investigation because, you know, you stepped aside and then you didn't step aside. can you clear that up for us because that's confusing to people. people think you recused yourself but you never did. >> there is a lot of crazy things that the media, the mainstream media says about me and others. the bottom line is this. we are being obstructed in this investigation. we have for a long time. there is no question that i was attacked viciously by the left. you are well aware of it, to try to get me off. >> laura: they were trying to intimidate you from speaking out. which is what they do to a lot of people, did they not? >> remember, it was all over me originally going to the white house. >> laura: that you looked at these documents. >> i looked at documents. >> laura: the unmasking. >> where trump officials had been unmasked. >> laura: yeah. right. >> some of those ended up in the media. this is the problem with major location. >> laura: deep state is leaking.
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leaking to make you look bad. are you going to bring back susan rice and others to testify. samantha powers bringing them back. >> unfortunately we are bringing back a lot of the people or the doj could do their job and begin to investigate. this. >> laura: i'm not thinking bob mueller is going to rush to that maybe i'm just being pessimistic. thank you very much, congressman. >> congratulations on your show. >> laura: directly ahead, another hollywood creep exposed and the mainstream media hits a new low in its response. ♪ ♪
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♪ >> laura: just when you thought the hollywood sexual-harassment scandal couldn't get worse, there is news about the latest hollywood creep, actor kevin spacey, a close friend of bill clinton, by the way, former child actor corey feldman has been sounding the alarm about pedophilia in hollywood and now we are getting things that he might be right.
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kevin spacey made an unwanted sexual advance to former actory rapp, who was at the time 14 years old. kevin spacey said that he did not remember but he apologized for the deeply inappropriate drunken behavior. we are talking about the abuse of a child, not throwing up on an oriental rug. in a desperate attempt to justify his predatory behavior, mr. spacey on twitter, for the first time, confirmed the long simmering rumors that he is a gay man. several news outlets fell for his trap and focused on his coming out. one abc headline -- and the abuse allegations. frankly, i don't care what your sexual preference is. no one gets a pass when it comes to sexually targeting a child. let's be clear. this isn't the first, nor will
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it be the last allegation of underage abuse in hollywood. it doesn't matter how big a name that perpetrator may have. i am glad to spacey's finally coming down. that does it for us at "the ingraham angle." check out my new book, "billionaire at the barricades." now, my friend, shannon bream is next. i am so excited for her. shannon, i am thrilled for you at 11:00 p.m. eastern every night monday through friday. shannon, take it away. we'll be watching. >> shannon: thank you so much, laura. great show. welcome to "fox news @ night." i am shannon bream in washingto washington. ♪ we begin tonight with a major exhalation and the special counsel's probe into russian meddling in the u.s. election. a former campaign advisor to president trump has pleaded guilty to lying

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