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drums former campaign manager paul manafort and his business partner are pleading not guilty to conspiracy and a whole lot of other chargers. as a story operating on many levels, legal and political. let's pick it up with our chief national correspondent ed henry, who joins us. you have got some breaking news. to speak it income interesting, shannon. all the evening i have been talking to some of the president's top advisors, trying to get a handle on what is happening inside the white house. of course the president is not happy. he's been watching the tv coverage. his advisors are scoffing at a new "washington post" report, quoting anonymous officials are saying about these developments, "the walls are closing in, everyone is freaking out." not so, according to several trump advisors, including when i just spoke to. his lawyer inside the white house who said of this "washington post" report, "this is farcical. a, where are the walls? b, the president is focused on preparing for serious diplomatic things focusing and in asia."
they are going back and looking and saying these indictments involve shell companies, while manafort was working in ukraine, many years before the 2016 election. as legal expert andrew mccarthy wrote today in the conservative natural review, the paul manafort indictment as much of you are. -- much ado about nothing. one of the president's lawyers, i mentioned, said the white house is not worried at all about mueller's squeezing either manafort or former national security advisor to general michael flynn. he is suggesting they can flip on the president because they have nothing to give prosecutors. in fact, cobb said that the president has no concerns in terms of any impact on what happens to them on his campaign or the white house. that is a bottom line, shannon. they feel that when you look at these indictments, it is not about the president.
of course it can lead to him down the road but they are confident that it will not. >> shannon: there are so many questions. we look at that plea agreement that deals with george papadopoulos and it raises a lot of questions. why we are getting it today, because people can point to these two indictments of manafort and gates and say there is no rush inclusion, and then, we give the information about the separate case. >> an extra foreign policy advisor who pled guilty about lying to the fbi about a meeting with a professor in london who was close to the russian government who claimed he had dirt on hillary clinton. you can see him with candidate trump in this photo. the former president praised papadopolous. the story is not really that new. we did some story, look back, back on august 14th of this year, "the washington post" reported that campaign emails show to papadopolous offered to set up "a meeting between us, the trump campaign, and the russian leadership to discuss
u.s.-russian ties under president trump." they added, among those to express concern about the effort was then campaign chairman paul manafort, who were rejected in may 2016 a proposal from papadopolous for trump to do so. meaning, for the candidate to meet with putin are the russian officials. the point is, yes, he pled guilty, he lied to the fbi, he clearly shouldn't have done that. it's a mystery why, if there is no collusion, why he lied. based on "the washington post"'s reporting in august, when papadopolous tried to get these meetings, he was shot down at every turn. including by paul manafort. there is a big mystery tonight about why papadopolous lied to the fbi when these meetings he was trying to set up with the russians that might show collusion didn't happen. >> shannon: many more questions than answers today. thanks for summing it up for us. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> shannon: here with some analysis, a former federal prosecutor who has worked on some of the cases including some of robert mueller's team. she has a unique perspective and joins us live from dallas.
great to have you with us tonight. i want to start by asking a little bit more about this papadopolous plea agreement and what we are finding out about him. arrested in july, not facing charges until the beginning of october, works out a plea deal, then we don't find out about it until today. this interesting nugget that is concealed in these unsealed records today says the defendant has indicated he is willing to cooperate with the government and its ongoing investigation into russian efforts to interfere in in a 2016 presidel election. public disclosure of the defendant's initial appearance, however, was significantly undermined his ability to serve as a proactive cooperator. we didn't hear anything about this for months. what does the signal, if anything, to you? speak of the signals that he was wearing a wire or a tape recorder with anyone that was involved in the campaign for president trump, that he knew, or had any connections with. i would expect those tapes to surface at some point later.
i think that plea agreement and the indictment itself are basically shots across the ball. they talk a lot about a lot of things that have not been charged yet. they could be charged. i have no doubt they will exert every possible pressure on mr. manafort and mr. gates to say whatever it is they want them to say, regardless of whether it is actually true. andrew wiseman, one of the lead prosecutors for mueller's task force, has a long history of abusing his prosecutorial powers and the indictments he's drafted against arthur andersen and the merrill lynch executives have been reversed on appeal. anderson was reversed unanimously by the united states supreme court with justice rehnquist writing for the majority, it was shocking how little criminal culpability the jury instructions required and anderson had been committed an offense. the merrill lynch case, 12 out of 14 counts of conviction were reversed.
never mind the defendants spent up to a year in prison on an indictment that didn't really state a federal offense. mr. wiseman had yellow highlighted evidence that show they were innocent and hit it from the defendants while they were in prison and longer. >> shannon: interesting that there are scores of charges potentially decades in jail, hundreds of thousands of dollars were accused. at the end of the day, there is nothing in these documents that ties them to russian collusion with the trump campaign. >> absolutely not. >> shannon: something that manafort's attorney said that there is no evidence. yet people are running wild with these indictments today, saying, this proves everything, the president will be impeached. >> [laughs] it doesn't prove anything at all. the first place, an indictment is just a determination by the grand jury grand jury that essey rubber stamps mr. mueller's proposed charges, hearing only what mr. mueller and his team want them to hear.
there is no presentation by the defense whatsoever. all you need to do is look at mr. wiseman's other indictments to see how fatally flawed they were and how willing he is to stretch criminal statutes to charge conduct that isn't criminal. i mean, a lot of things in the indictment sound bad but it can be easily picked apart and probably doesn't state and offense throughout most of it. >> shannon: flood circle back to the plea deal with george papadopoulos and the fact that there is circulation about whether he was wearing a wire or working with the special counsel's office in the months that we didn't know anything about the fact that he had been arrested and was in trouble. he was having conversations and people around him, having contacts with trump administration officials or others he had worked with. how worried you should those folks be right now? >> i think they should be concerned. they will probably be the next to be indicted, depending on what the conversations that papadopolous has had with them show and what other documents
they have. obviously, the special councils have a lot of email evidence. those are referenced repeatedly in the statement of offense to which he pled guilty. there are things out there that the special counsel can make use of. whether they actually constitute crimes or not is a different question. >> shannon: quickly, i want to ask you about tony podesta stepping down from his lobbying firm. he is a well-known democratic presidents in washington and beyond. what do you make of that? >> it is clear from the charges in in the manafort indictment that company letter a is the podesta company. i think that he knows that he has some liability and if the investigation is proceeding fairly at all, he may be the next person to be indicted. >> shannon: sidney powell, thank you very much. good to see you tonight. >> thank you and congratulations on your show. >> shannon: thanks, come back soon. reluctant to respond directly to the unfolding crisis with the white house special counsel, republicans are instead of saying let's make a deal ahead of a big push on tax reform.
chief political anchor and anchor of "special report" is staying up late. good evening, bret baier. >> good to be on the inaugural show. >> shannon: it's been a very newsy day. with all of this popping, we hear from house speaker paul ryan who is getting ready to drop the major tax reform bill on wednesday. he needed a legislative win. he said none of these indictments matter, we will get to the matter of business. >> i talked to some senior republicans who say we have blinders on when we talk about this and no, we didn't want to talk about this all day. in fact -- there were some humorous moments when some senators are going out of their way to get out of the way of cameras or reporters asking these questions. my couple of things. one is there is still this growing confidence that they can get tax reform together. the rollout is really important. there are some people out there on the hill who say, listen, this focus on all of this takes out the microscope focus on all the tax reform in and out and
gives us a little breathing room. i think it is optimistic. they don't want to be talking about this. a former campaign manager of the trump campaign was indicted today, period, the end, that happened whether you believe that is tied in to the trump campaign in any way, he was the former campaign manager. >> shannon: covering washington for years, we are all familiar with with the friday dump. last week, they were such a focus on the fusion gps, uranium one, we will talk about that more coming up. hillary clinton's potential link to paying for the dirty dossier, her campaign, and all of a sudden on friday night, we get this indictment, but it sealed, you have all weekend to speculate. it will take over the sunday shows, obviously. when you get that late friday. >> there is only so much oxygen in the room in washington. it did. obviously, the bigger news, potentially, is the papadopolous guilty plea. you talked about that. what that leads to.
right now, it's a lot of speculation. the people we have talked to say that he had a very minor role and even if he was wearing a wire, who was he talking to? he was fairly low on the totem pole. one a republican senator i talked to tonight said, listen, a special counsel with a limited scope, and limited unlimited time, there will be an indictment. as the sun rises, it will happen. i think there is some sensitivity to talking about this at all and they are hoping that this isn't the beginning of a long thing that drags into 2018 and the midterms. >> shannon: the president tweeting today, there was no collusion. in many ways, the white house was trying to embrace the fact that these indictments of manafort and gates did not prove collusion or large collusion between the campaign at russia and yet, we have the reports that the president was very unhappy to deal with this news today. it's because we've seen the tweets, the direct tweets to
news coverage about anything that deals with russia, in which the president addresses it directly. i think that that is the biggest problem. if this continually drips out over time, how the president deals with it publicly, and in 140 characters or less. >> shannon: that he get the 280 at? some people get the 280. i don't know. we'll check. bret, thank you so much for coming in. >> congratulations. >> shannon: thanks. how would capitol hill react if president trump fired robert mueller? we have an exclusive with senator mike lee about
choices and challenges for congress if the president does the unthinkable. plus... >> we are very upset about it. i think it is a serious problem. it should not have happened. >> shannon: was this the roe v. wade 2.0 involving illegal immigration end of trump administration did everything it could to actually stop at? we'll explain it as well as
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yet, senator lindsey graham said they will be "holy hell to pay." i am doing the quotes for my grandma. if the president fires robert mueller who is leading the team. utah senator mike lee joins us now. good to see you, sir. >> i liked your use of the quotes. >> shannon: my grandmother is watching. she is staying up late for this. by the way, let's play that quote. this comes from senator graham when asked about whether mueller should be in any kind of trouble. >> i have zero concern that mr. mueller is in jeopardy of losing his job. i see no reason for him to be dismissed and the only reason you could do it is for cause, and some effort to do it without a good reason, there would be holy hell to pay. to be and large i'm hearing that bronzed republicans are being supportive of mueller, saying let him do his job. >> i think senator graham is
correct. there would be holy hell to pay politically. to speed when you said about one of the communities -- by the way, senator feinstein said that both the intel and judiciary communities, this proves that they need to continue their independent investigations. how is it going? >> there's a whole lot of investigations going on. i think they are getting to the bottom of some of these facts. i don't think they are leading exactly were the democrats wanted. but that is part of the reason why we have investigations and that is why we follow the facts as they take us. >> shannon: where are you on that? can you give us a timeline? do you think you are still getting cooperation from the white house? >> i think the white house is cooperating on committees are doing their job. i think it is proceeding as it intended to. >> shannon: the house is launching the investigations to another part of this conversation, fusion gps, who paid for the so-called dirty dossier and uranium one, whether there was any misdealing or anything that was an appropriate, knowing that the fbi was investigating bribery charges at the same time that
the u.s. was essentially improving a deal for 20% of our uranium. his pick of those allegations, if true, are disturbing. they signal by americans ought to be concerned with the accumulation of power in the hands of the few. anytime you look like you are having special favors, regulatory treatment, or regulatory approval granted on the basis of someone's proximity or someone's ability to make a donation, that is very troubling. it's one of the reasons why this needs to be looked into. >> shannon: i want to ask you about someone who is going to be into town this week, judge roy moore, the republican candidate in alabama for the senate seat, left bank it by the attorney general jeff sessions. you have endorsed him. he is not a noncontroversial guy. he has some controversy. he came to town and he met with you guys and how do you think he would play in the senate? >> everybody comes to the senate with their own agenda, their own interests. judge moore is someone who very much wants to drain the swamp, wants to shake things up in washington. i don't agree with him on every
single issue but i do agree with georges moore, some of the critical constitutional issues. the need to return to an era in which we respect the power of the sovereign states, and we don't assume that every decision is a government decision and every government decision has to be made in washington. i respect that about judge moore and i think he has a lot to offer in terms of rest during that constitutional conversation. constitutional conversation. it is. when i got to ask you, we talked earlier this year, you are very excited about u2's "joshua tree" to her. did you go? >> it is the best album ever. 30 years in the making. it was great to see them. they sounded as great as they did back in 1987. >> shannon: how crazy dedicate? >> i get really crazy. when they played the song "bad," which is not on the "joshua tree" album, but i almost teared up. i'm a grown man with three children and i am a u.s. senator and i almost teared up when they played that song, it was
brilliant, beautiful. were you there? >> shannon: i was not but clearly you have excellent taste in music. senator, come back soon. >> thank you. >> shannon: we will get both sides on the debate over whether america will become a haven for a portion for illegal immigrant immigrants. this is "fox news @ night" ." whoooo.
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old enough to be able to take care of it. i don't feel sure of having a child. >> she tried to schedule an abortion but the attorneys at the aclu say she was blocked by the trump administration trump administration. >> they prohibited their shelter where she was dating from transporting her for any abortion related appointments. they were literally holding her hostage, blocking the door, fronting her from obtaining an abortion. >> the aclu filed a federal lawsuit on the grounds that all women in the u.s., including illegal immigrants, have a constitutional right to an abortion. but attorneys for the justice department argued that it wasn't blocking her right to the procedure, it was simply refusing to help her get one. >> the government has not put any obstacles in her path, rather, the government is refusing to facilitate an abortion. >> in the end, the d.c. court of appeals sided with the aclu and jane doe received her abortion last week despite the trump administration's efforts to stop it. >> we were very upset about it. i think it is a serious problem,
should not have happened. we are disturbed about it. >> the attorney general is worried about a lot of things. he's worried about taxpayer dollars, funding abortions, for illegal immigrants, even though in this case, jane does attorney say that she had raised private funds to pay for it, and then she is also worried about this case establishing a precedent by encouraging other legal, illegal immigrants to come here for an abortion. shannon, it is just the beginning. the aclu has fired filed another lawsuit in the attorney general has said that he is prepared to fight it all the way to the supreme court. >> shannon: it sounds like it is just round one. thank you very much. a leasehold is the president of pro-choice america. she believes that all women regardless of immigration status deserve access to safe abortions. thank you for coming here tonight. i want to read a little bit of whatever brief that comes from the other side, folks fighting this decision, saying the constitution does not confer on jane doe the right to an abortion. we create a right to an abortion
for anyone on earth who enter the united states illegally, and about her briefly. if she has a right to an abortion, it is difficult to imagine what other constitutional protections that she would have by extension. where do we draw the line? >> you know, shannon, i'm not a lawyer, but i am my mom and i definitely believe that if my children were facing a similar situation, i would want them to be treated with humanity and dignity. that is simply not what happened in this case. i understand that there are those on the other side who actually do want to put roe v. wade on trial through this case. we have to say to them, it seems pretty cruel to me to do that on the back of a young woman who is scared and just needs care. >> shannon: you know, they see this as not relitigating gay, but they were worried that it is roe v. wade 2.0. they are saying that it's encouraging, they think, and some way, people coming here from other countries, where
maybe they can't get an abortion, and they worry about this becoming -- the texas attorney general who is coming up, he worries about his state of texas becoming a sanctuary state for abortion. >> i think that is just a little bit of a stretch. i'm a texan as well and i happen to know firsthand that it is one of the most restrictive states in the country in terms of getting an abortion. this woman, this young woman made a very perilous journey. she didn't know she was pregnan pregnant. i think that it is just -- i'm having a really hard time seeing that many people watching what she has been through, watching the obstacles she has faced, line up to think that this is an easy way to terminate a pregnancy. >> shannon: recent polls show that a majority of people who are self described as pro-choice, even a majority, say there should be restrictions on abortions. 61% that they don't believe that there should be any taxpayer dollars tied in any way to abortions. of course, that is something of the attorney general, the u.s.
attorney general, mention, worried that people will come here. they have no means of their own and that they will in some way have to rely on tax dollars to get an abortion. it's illegal and clearly opposed by the majority of americans. >> you know, that is not a part of this case, shannon, as you mentioned in the intro. this young woman had raised private funds and she had a court appointed guardian to provide transport. all that was required in this instance was for the government that was holding her hostage to unlock the doors. just unlock the doors. that's all it was. what does bear more scrutiny is why taxpayers are footing the bill for scott loyd, a high-ranking government official, to actually among all of his responsibilities and time and energy, personal intervening in these cases, to advance his own personal ideology. >> shannon: there are many folks -- i won't speak for him -- many folks associated with those who say that they view this as two minor patients, and i think he often views it that way, as well.
they are concerned about a young woman who is here without any parental guidance or a relative to walk her through this process. it is not a legitimate question? >> as i said, texas has a pretty strong consent law. this young woman got a judicial bypass. i understand that scott lloyd really does want to put abortion on trial here. but the courts have not sided with him in this case. i think that he needs to stop bullying these young women to make his point. >> shannon: he certainly does not describe it that way but we appreciate your viewpoint. thank you for joining us tonight. we know this case is far from over. texas attorney general ken paxton, concerned that the federal court ruling could pave the way for his state to become a sanctuary state for illegal immigrants seeking abortions, paid for mostly by taxpayers. good to have you with us, general. >> thank you. >> shannon: i want to ask you something. it went through very quickly a number of different levels, the d.c. circuit, just below the supreme court, for people who don't know the structure of the court. when the government -- there's a
question why they didn't file with the supreme court to stop this. i have things off the record in the round's casing that essentially they are may have been some understanding that there was going to be some time for the government to do it but instead, the young woman was taken very early in the morning. she had her abortion, which he said was what she wanted. there is angst within the pro-life community that the government did not file with the supreme court right away. >> congratulations on your new show. >> shannon: thank you. >> i have concerns, as well. i also wonder if there wasn't some agreement, i don't know if it's true, whether there was some agreement with the doj, if they were waiting, if there was an agreement that there would be no abortion why while they app. obviously, they made the appeal moot. i don't know that to be true but if that is true, i hope they ask for sanctions. >> shannon: i have heard rumblings. not confirmed on our end, either. i want to read about the -- the
government has never argued that this plaintiff's status as an unaccompanied minor who enter the united states of that documentation reduces or eliminates her constitutional rights to an abortion in compliance with state law requirements. now, that is the thing that these pro-life groups were worried about, that it would be roe 2.0. it sounds like, during these arguments, the federal government did not say she doesn't have a constitutional right. it has not been seated? is that the case? >> i think it narrows the holding to this case. i believe the doj should have made that argument. we made it in the brief. it is clear to me that the constitution does not allow for an abortion to somebody that comes here illegally and doesn't have some kind of substantial tiger connection. that was never argued, we argued it. if you look at the dissent, they picked up the argument, i think it is something that hopefully in the future, the doj will argue. >> shannon: there is a class action lawsuit that the aclu -- this broke off, my understanding
from that -- but they do have a broader, wider case, they want to have it establish an court that any woman who is here illegally and is a minor -- you know, you could argue a child -- should be able to have access to an abortion. again, they talk about that being paid for separately by someone else, not by taxpayer dollars. what are your concerns about that case? >> first of all, it is not the law now. second of all, we know that -- third, once you open us up, what constitutional rights to the illegals have in other facts and circumstances? it would be a pretty broad change in our constitution foundation and what our founders thought of when they put this together. >> shannon: one of the lower court judges and hearing this case put it this way. the choice this young woman is left with is essentially to go back to her country, where i understand it's a country that doesn't allow abortions, and into a situation that some had alleged was abusive, go back to that or stay here in the u.s. and carry this child to term.
the judge said essentially that cannot be the choice. >> it is the choice because it's the law. it's a law that she does not have a constitutional right to an abortion. there is nothing in our history, the judicial holdings or who have to that. if we open that door, i think we open the door for anybody to come here, get arrested, and suddenly we will be responsible for providing abortions and paying for it. >> shannon: texas attorney general ken paxton, as always, good to see you. >> great to see you. >> shannon: we will follow the case. >> there is more to come. >> shannon: president trump space has stuck by him through thick and thin. chris stirewalt think he has the answer to that question and he joins us next. ♪ ♪ so what's it gonna be? ♪ ♪ hey it's an amazing day, ♪ ♪ traveling our own highway, ♪ ♪ no matter where it leads us ♪
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>> shannon: depending on whom you ask him of the indictments unsealed today are evidence the system is working or it's just another example of the washington establishment, the deep state, the swamp trying to unseat an elected president. fox news politics editor chris stirewalt is here to tell us which side is right. is there a right side, chris? what do you think? >> both things are possibly true. the question for the president right now is this is not been a great recent period in terms of public opinion. most republicans are sticking to him. he's in the mid-80s in most falls among republicans. his problem is, the voters who deliver the election to him,
pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, michigan, these folks aren't republicans. they tend to be independent, the key group, white, working-class voters. white men without college degrees. the trump army that came out for him and flipped the states. they weren't happy with him going into this moment. will they rally around him? we have seen him fall off 12 points, 16 points come with voters like these. while they come back and rally around him when he is in distress? well they just be frustrated? >> shannon: what about if he gets tax are formed on? that will help this group that you are talking about to get a tax reform done, people see a difference in their paycheck, for that matter? >> i think it is like this. the republicans in congress have convinced the president that they had to do tax cuts and blow up obamacare. unfortunately, with those are s i test really well the republicans. but these independent voters, and with the economically marginalized voters, those aren't great things. talking about taking away
subsidies for health insurance and give big businesses a tax cut, don't make the people of coal ohio say that these guys are looking out for me. as the president has been trying to placate the republican base, he has forgotten about the independent voters who like the idea of economic nationalism, fighting china, spending money at home, infrastructure, et cetera. >> shannon: they want to talk about tax reform this week because there is a big rollout on wednesday and they want to talk about other things. today, there was a press conference about religious freedom. yet, the questions they are getting are about the indictments. about manafort -- i think we have a video. it might be senator grassley, who was done trying to avoid answering questions about this. watch very closely. you can see, that is him behind the flag. again, they kept saying, what questions do you have on religious freedom? that is what this press conference is about. >> do i have the religious freedom to ask you about paul manafort again?
was the question. they will not -- in truth, we have no idea whether this is consequential, we don't know what papadopolous god, what he has provided to prosecutors. the manafort step was to be expected. the papadopolous stuff could be really big and it's not just that i like to say papadopolous. >> shannon: you are very good at it. >> i mastered it. we'll find out in time how consequential it is. the tax cut question on all the other things, we'll see how it fractures the republicans versus the independence and trumps electoral base. we'll see if they can live in harmony. >> shannon: remember when rob blagojevich -- remember what a hard time we had without. >> we learn from webster how to say papadopolous. >> shannon: papadopolous was much easier. what he has been doing in the months that we didn't know anything about him and he was working with the government, proactive cooperator. we'll see. in the meantime, come back. maybe tomorrow night? >> if that sounds like a good idea. >> shannon: thank you, chris stirewalt.
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>> shannon: a fox news alert. secretary of state rex tillerson and defense secretary jim mattis up on the hill this evening. senators pressing the two on whether or not the president can keep using old authorities pastors days after 9/11 to fight an expanding war against al qaeda offshoots worldwide. national security correspondent jennifer griffin joins us from the pentagon. a very busy night tonight. great to happy with you with us, jennifer. let's start with this. as they are testifying, have we learned anything new today about the attacks in niger? >> thanks, shannon. congratulations on your new show. we did not hear anything new about the niger attacks. but what we did hear defense secretary mattis pushed back at the need for a new war authorization, a umf, for forces expanding the fight against isis and al qaeda. >> what we have seen are these groups coming apart, going back together, they change their names as often as a rock 'n' roll band. they are keenly aware that they have got certain legal
strictures on our side that they can take advantage of. we call it law fair, they use our laws against us. we have seen it. we read their mail, we know what they are thinking in many cases. >> right now, the u.s. military is operating in 17 countries, using authorization act was passed three days after 9/11 and senator jeff flake pointed out, none of the members of the senate foreign relations committee or even in the senate when it was passed, shannon. >> shannon: also, there is this unusual case that we are starting to get word out. green berets involving a murder in mali? what can you tell us? >> two members of seal team 6, the same unit that brought usama bin laden to justice are now being investigated in the murder of a green beret in mali on jun. ncis hat is investigating the deaths by asphyxiation of staff sergeant logan melgar. the two seals were flown out of mali almost immediately and placed on a penetrative leave. that is all we know at this
point, shannon. see my griffin lie for us from the pentagon. thank you so much. we want to introduce you to a segment called "night court." i think it will be a regular part of the show. a brand-new segment of topics that we present to you, the jury. first off, a virginia church is going to remove a plaque honoring america's first president, george washington. the church says the plot, which is on a pew where washington once sat with his family, is not acceptable to all worshipers because george washington was a slave owner. charlie heard, opinion editor and columnist for "the washington times" and fox news contributor joins us now. the search of the case of the church. what do you know? >> after 250 years, nearly 250 years, after george washington helped found christ church in alexandria, the congregation has decided, the vestry has decided, i imagine there will be discontent of some of the parishioners, they have decided to take the markers down.
i don't know if they just discovered he was a slaveholder or if they, you know, because of the news that has been in the media lately, sort of brought attention to a higher level. whatever the cases, they have made the decision to take that markers down. >> shannon: months ago, president trump predicted this. you have to give him credit. heat a couple of his tweets. he said, "i do see the history of our culture of our great country being ripped apart with the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments. you can't change history but we can learn from it." who's next? washington, jefferson, so foolish. a little bit of a crystal ball. >> it's incredible. you can sort of quibble with donald trump sometimes with his tweets, whether or not he needs to weigh into certain things, whether it is the nfl or in this case, but he is almost always exactly right, whatever it it is that he does wind up saying. it's true, you can't change history. we have had a tough history. that's not to say -- have you
seen "hamilton"? >> shannon: i cannot afford it. it's thousands of dollars. >> i couldn't afford it, either, but i sold two of my children to take my daughter to see it. >> shannon: one of your kids got to go. >> exactly. it is a magnificent play. and what i love about it, it takes into consideration the fact that there is a lot of ugliness in our past. that doesn't obliterate all of the good stuff. they celebrate thomas jefferson, it celebrates hamilton, the star. but it's the way history is supposed to be understood. when you have these situations like christ church, they want to obliterate history, it is like it's too painful, they don't want to talk about it, they don't want to deal with it. it is very damaging to the country. >> shannon: something that has taken front and center in the virginia governor's race, where there is about to be an election, the president tweeted on this. ed gillespie, the g.o.p. candidate, will turn a really bad virginia economy numbers around and fast. strong on crime.
he might even save the great statues/heritage. here are both candidates running in virginia. their take on this. >> we don't have to glorify the objects of the statues. we can educate about them. we have to learn from history and that is a difference. >> if the statues give individuals become a white supremacist like that, an excuse to do what they did, that we need to have a discussion about the statues. >> shannon: is this going to be a big deal? >> i think it will be a bigger deal than people realize. it's not white supremacists. it's because people like the history, they like the heritage, they like the statues. i think that it's a big reason why we have seen ed gillespie close in the polls in the last couple of weeks. >> shannon: just a few days away. charlie hurt, good to see you. >> thank you. >> shannon: the pc police take on halloween. find out what el students had to say about the holiday after the break. >> taking the narratives away.
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>> shannon: halloween the latest battle field in the fight on college campuses. that's what my next guest says he found in a recent visit to yale. >> what is some of the worst costumes you've seen? >> native americans, lots of gay thats. >> we feel with trump it's going to get worse. >> of course. yeah, it's a face to white oppression now. people can turn to it. that's huge. >> as a school, this is affecting people's lives, taking narratives away. i've seen that too often. >> shannon: kevin phillips of campus reform joins us live. you went around campus with a petition asking people to outlaw halloween. you said you want to be on the right side of history, getting
rid of halloween. >> to many students feelings are hurt because of costumes. student after the student was quick to sign the petition because i told them we need to do away with these offensive costumes. this is indicative of the larger culture on college campuses. students need to be on the left side of campus. they want to go along with anything that goes along with the social justice narrative even if it means banning hallowe halloween costumes. >> shannon: you said you can only go as yourself. >> there is a culture of hierarchy now, the more they can claim offensive things the higher social status they get. students two or three going to say everything gives them power. students want to claim this. >> shannon: remember this for tomorrow night and halloween. >> only go as yourself. >> shannon: thanks for coming in. by the way, most watched, most trusted and most grateful you
spent this hour with us. good night from washington, i'm shannon bream, this is fox news at night. will see you then. tucker is up ♪ . >> tucker: good evening and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. we have exclusive new reporting on a story that has turned washington upside-down and caused more intrigue than anything in the city i've seen in 25 years. of course you've heard independent counsel robert mueller's investigation has zeroed in on its first targets. former donald trump campaign manager paul manafort and his business associate rick gates were both indicted on charges of money laundering, tax fraud and failure to report lobbying arrangements. now the indictment offers tantalizing details about how foreign lobbying works at the highest levels in washington. how manafort