tv MSNBC Live With Ali Velshi MSNBC August 30, 2017 12:00pm-1:00pm PDT
[applause] >> she's got to make that commitment. she's got to make that commitment. if she doesn't do it, you just can't do this anymore with the obstruction and the obstructionists. if we don't get tax cuts and reform approved, potentially the biggest ever, we're looking for the biggest ever jobs in our country cannot take off the way they should. and it could be much worse than that. but at a minimum, they won't take off the way they should. the dems are looking to obstruct tax cuts and tax reform just like they obstructed so many other things, including administration appointments and health care. not one vote. we got not one vote to try and fix health care and get rid of obamacare. the strategy of our economic rivals has worked. they made their taxes lower and
far lower in many cases than ours and jobs left our country. large corporations changed their business models by exporting jobs to other countries and then shipping their goods back to the united states where they'd make massive profits and they wouldn't be paying tax to us either. so we lost the jobs, we lost the taxes. they closed the buildings, they closed the plants and factories. we got nothing but unemployment. we got nothing. other businesses, even classic american brands, switched their headquarters to foreign countries. because of this and other reasons like weak borders, america remains stuck in the past. although i have to tell you, we have general kelly here today, and we stopped 78% going up to 80% on the border traffic coming through in just a short period of time.
[applause] >> he's done some job. whole different world out there right now. today we are still taxing our businesses at 35%, and it's way more than that -- and think of it, in some cases way above 40% when you include state and local taxes in various states. the united states is now behind france, behind germany, behind canada, ireland, japan, mexico, south korea and many other nations. also, with these countries and almost every country, we have massive trade deficits, numbers that you would not believe. but this administration is going to fix that one by one we're fixing it. we're working right now on nafta, the horrible, terrible
nafta deal that took so much business out of your state and out of your cities and towns. and we're work on the ground it. let's see what happens. [applause] >> mexico is not happy. but as i told them, you made a lot of money for a lot of years and everybody left you alone. we've got to change this deal. and hopefully we can renegotiate it. but if we can't, we'll terminate it and we'll start all over again with a real deal. [applause] >> so when it comes to the business tax, we are debt last. can you believe that? so this cannot be allowed to continue any longer. america must lead the way, not follow from behind. we have gone from a tax rate that is lower than our economic competitors to one that is more
than 60% higher. we have totally surrendered our competitive edge to other countries. we have totally surrendered. we're not surrendering anymore. [applause] >> ideally, and i say this for our secretary of the treasury, we would like to bring our business tax rate down to 15%, which would make our tax rate lower than most countries but still by no means the lowest, unfortunately, in the world. but it would make us highly competitive. in other words, foreign companies have more than april 60% tax advantage over american companies. they can pay their workers more, sell their products and services at lower cost, and still make more money than their u.s. competitors. we cannot restore our wealth if
we continue to put our businesses at such a tremendous disadvantage. we must reduce the tax rate on american businesses so they keep jobs in america, create jobs in america, and compete for workers right here in america. the america we love. [applause] >> thank you. thank you very much. because when businesses compete for labor, your wages will go up. lower taxes on american business means higher wages for american workers, and it means more products made right here in the
usa. when i was growing up, i always used to see the signs and it was always stamped in the product made in the usa. we don't see it anymore. we're going to go back to made in the usa. made in the usa. the third principle for tax reform is a crucial one, tax relief for middle-class families. [applause] >> if a way, and i've been saying this for a long time, they've been sort of the forgotten people, but they're not forgotten any longer. i can tell you that. we will lower taxes for middle income americans so they can keep more of their hard-earned paychecks, and they can do lots of things with those paychecks.
and that really means buying being product ideally made in this country, but that means they'll go out and they'll spend their money. and it will be a beautiful thing to watch. this includes helping parents afford childcare and the cost of raising a family. that's so important to ivanka trump. [applause] >> very, very important to everybody in this room, but so important to my daughter. it's one of her big beliefs, and she's very committed to that. right, ivanka? we believe that ordinary americans know better than washington how to spend their own money, and we want to help them take home as much of their money as possible and then spend it. [applause] >> so they'll keep their money, they'll spend their money,
they're buy our product, our factories will be moving again, companies are going to move back into our country. jobs are going to prosper, and our country is going to be just like it says on that beautiful red hat, it says make america great again. that's what we're going to do. [applause] >> right? fourth and finally, we want to bring back trillions of dollars in wealth that's parked overseas. because of our high tax rate and horrible, outdated burk rick rules large companies that do business overseas will often park their profits offshore to avoid paying a high united states tax. if the money is brought back home, so they leave the money over there. the amount of money we're
talking about is anywhere from 3 to $5 trillion. can you believe that? by making it less punitive for companies to bring back this money and by making the process far less burkic and difficult, we can return trillions and trillions of dollars to our economy and spare billions of dollars in new investments in our struggling communities and throughout our nation. it's time to invest in our country to rebuild our communities and to hire our great american workers. [applause] >> my administration is embracing a new economic model. it's called, very simply, the american model. under this system we will
encourage companies to hire and grow in america, to raise wages for american workers, and to help rebuild our american cities and communities. that is our we will all succeed and grow together as one team with one shared sense of purpose and one glorious american destiny. [applause] >> so today i'm calling on all members of congress, democrat, republican and independent, to support pro american tax reform. they have to do it. it's time. they have to do it. it is time. i'm calling on congress to provide a level playing field for our workers and our companies, to attract new companies and businesses to our shores, and to put more money
into the pockets of everyday hardworking people. and also, into the pockets of our companies so they can continue to grow and expand. [applause] >> what could possibly be more bipartisan than allowing families to keep more of what they earn and creating an environment for real job and wage growth in the country that we love so much? [applause] >> so let's put or at least try to put the participate posturing behind us and come together as americans to create the 21 century tax code that our people
deserve. [applause] >> if we do this, if we unite in the name of common sense and the name of common good, then we will add millions and millions of new jobs, bring back trillions of dollars, and we will give america the competitive advantage that it so desperately needs and has been looking for for so long. it's time. [applause] >> products made with american hands, american labor and american grit will once again be delivered throughout the world. that's true. [applause]
>> it's time. instead of exporting our jobs, we will export our goods. [applause] >> our jobs will both stay here in america and come back to america. we'll have it both ways. millions of struggling citizens will be lifted from welfare to work. they will love getting up in the morning. they will love going to their job. they will love earning a big fat, beautiful paycheck. they will be proud again. that is the future i want for our people. that is the future i want for america, a nation where we are proud, prosperous, united and free. today i am asking every citizen to join me in dreaming big and
bold and daring things, beautiful things for our country. i am asking every member of congress, of which we have many with us today, to join me in unleashing america's full potential. i am asking everyone in this room and across the nation to join me in demanding nothing but the best for our nation and for our people. and if we do these things, and if we care for and support each other and love each other, then we will truly make america great again. thank you. god bless you. god bless you, everybody. thank you. thank you very much. governor, thank you. thank you, governor. thank you, senator. thank you. thank you, everybody. thank you. >> i'm ali velshi we will in a moment get back to our coverage
in harvey where the death toll has climbed in the last few minutes to 19. but i just want to finish off with what we have been hearing. that was president trump in springfield, missouri pitching tax reform while the city of houston and surrounding areas are still reeg from one of the most devastating floods in american history. with president trump's hopes for repealing and replacing obamacare fading, he's hoping for some sort of major legislative victory during his first year in office, but not surprisingly the white house is already behind schedule. here is treasury secretary steve mnuchin on cnbc back in february. >> it's going to be focused on middle income tax cuts, simplification and making the business tax competitive with the rest of the world, which has been a big problem and a lot of reason why companies are leaving and cash is sitting offshore. so that's really our focus. we want to get this done by the august recess. we've been working closely with the leadership in the house and the senate. >> that's a big lift. fast-forward to five months later from that interview to
july, and we have a new timetable from mnuchin. >> our plan is to have a full-blown release of the plan in the beginning of september with being able to vote and getting this passed before the end of the year. and we are having meetings multiple times every week with the leadership of the house and the senate. >> here is the problem with that timetable. there's no plan. we didn't hear many specifics, actually we heard no specifics from the president today on a tax reform plan because the white house isn't going to write one. president trump's chief economic adviser gary cohn told the financial times on friday, quote, in the next
three or four weeks the tax bill will be written in the ways and means committee and congress is going to own the writing of the legislation. that is the key. they are going to create the piece of legislation. so now it's just a waiting game to find out what congress cooks up. but you may remember back in april the white house put out this, a single page of guidance
on their tax plan that outlines some points like going from seven individual brackets to three and a 15% business tax rate. for more on this, let's go to nbc's kristen welker who is covering the president's tax reform -- i'm just going to stop calling it tax reform. tax speech today from springfield, missouri. kristen, again, i wait and wait and wait to get specifics on a tax plan and what we get are aspirations and generalities. >> that's right. today wasn't about specifics. and the administration was very clear about that. i think what it does mark, though, ali, and what's significant about today's speech is that this is a shift in strategy that we are seeing from this president and from this administration. he's taking his message on the road. this is the first of what i am told is going to be a number of stops in the coming weeks, in the coming months as they fight to get their tax proposal through. that's a very sharp difference from what we saw when he was trying to overhaul obamacare. remember, that largely took
place in d.c., meetings, back and forth with members of capitol hill. this is not going to be -- >> okay. just having a technical problem there with kristen. let's continue this conversation with cnbc's -- gentlemen, let me start with you, jared, one of the first things that president trump said was touting the print on gdp this morning that showed 3%. that is a number at the very low end of what president trump has been talking about for a long time. what's he right about and what's he wrong about in bragging about 3% gdp growth? >> it's very interesting because after that he said the annual rate of growth in the bum years never reached that much. in fact, the annual rate of growth in the second quarter from the very release he's citing is 2.2% and that's a much better way to look at it than the quarterly growth rate which is what he's cited. basically he's done nothing
legislatively. you've been emphasizing this point a great deal. he has inherent economic momentum. on the tax front i'm convinced that nothing he's been talking about, nothing i've seen proposed by anyone around this debate will get anywhere close to boosting growth at all. what it's going to do is whack the heck out of an already tough middle class and make life a lot easier for corporations to export jobs and incomes. >> i wish i could challenge or applaud jared but i can't because i don't know what any of the facts are. i can aplowed the president for his first four points and that is that the u.s. tax system is unnecessarily complex and long and could deal with some simplification so that regular americans can actually file their tax returns without the need of an accountant or a tax preparer. after that he kind of lost me because i don't actually know what he's proposing. he made references to ronald reagan's tax cuts, something that he has criticized in the
past. but they're a very different ball of wax. ronald reagan took from a higher to a lower rate to somewhere in the nabltd of where we have them now. that was a big drop. we don't really have that kind of space right now. >> we might and we might not. the competence active tax form alluded chtsz in 1986. prior to that was in the early reagan years. now, comprehensive tax reform if it simplified the code would be a laudable goal. from what we know. >> sure, it would be. >> of what's likely to come, we still see a tax cut program, not comprehensive tax reform, that will likely deliver more tax cuts to wealthy individuals, to corporations, but not to middle class individuals. so i think there is a large disconnect between the populism the president is talking about and the reality of what we're liking to see come out of congress. >> let me just say one. president trump is actually -- there are a few proposals we know about. you're right.
there is no plan. i was thinking, you know, he's trying to put lipstick on a pig, but there's really not a pig, but what there is -- he's mentioned a few things so far, and there's one big loophole that put really wants to open, and that's a special low privileged rate on pass-through business income. taking it all the way down to 15%. that would open up a massive new loophole and invite literally billions in tax avoidance. so this idea that he wants to close loop holes is patently false. >> ali, if i could explain that. so if you were me and you have an llc and so you have a limited liability company or you have an s. copper or a c. copper or a sole proprietorship you are a business and as a business you can take all the expenses and deductions that you want and you can drive "your business" income down and then be taxed at 15%. whereas today, even though i have an llc, i still have to
take my net income, put that on a personal filing, which is taxed at 39.6%. i could ultimately be taxed at 15%. i would save a ton of money. the average american simply won't be able to do that. >> would not. okay. guys, you know i like talking about this a lot and i'm going to continue this conversation at another time. unfortunately i have to get back to this tragedy in the gulf. okay. we're still tracking tropical storm harvey and its aftermath. let's have a look at the radar. you can see that the storm is over land right now. it made its third landfall early this morning of the rains have let up in houston, but flood waters are still rising. right now in the area in and around beaumont, texas, it's getting the bulk of the downpours. the navy is deploying rescue helicopters in beaumont as floods inundate the city. nbc's miguel alma gear got us exclusive video. he's the only reporter on board
the helicopters as they air lift families, mothers, father's, children to safety. unfortunately, we have some more tragic news out of houston this afternoon. police have found that van that was carrying an elderly couple and four great grandchildren. it was swept away by flood waters on sunday. officials say they found six dead at the scene. this news brings the total number of storm-related deaths to 19. the harris county sheriff said a short time ago our worst fierce have been realized, and the victims' relatives are devastated. mia rodriguez joins us now from houston. what's the situation where you are? >> ali, we're on the west side of houston. and as you can see, there has been so much water here, so many water rescues going on. in fact h they just parked this massive vehicle here, this is one of the vehicles that has been used in order to approximate get people from these neighborhoods out on to dry land. because last night people went to bed here and it was not
flooded. they woke up this morning, and suddenly there was water all over the place. so we have had first responders out here from the sheriff's office, fire department, houston police, and a beveragey of volunteers also going out into these neighborhoods, trying to get people out of those flooded homes. we ran into one man, b.j. johnson. his elderly parents were back in the home. he had been bringing them food every day. he was able to drive in here, he said, last night. brought them dinner. and then before you know it today all this water around their house. and he knew he needed to get them out. take a listen to what he told us once volunteers went in and got his parents out. >> we've been bringing them food twice a day, and was bringing them lunch today and then realized the water had come up probably at least a mile from last night. >> reporter: now, this is all water that's been coming from some of the nearby reservoirs, the add diks and barker spill
over because again all of the rain, couldn't take it. spilling over into areas that have frankly never flooded before. i mean, we've been talking to residents who have lived in these areas for ten, 20, 30 years have never seen anything like this, even back when it was tropical storm allison in 2001, which is sort of the benchmark that a lot of people here in the houston area use as for when it comes to flooding here and what they have seen in their time. but this, of course, has been just unprecedented. ali. >> all right. hundreds of crews are still out trying to rescue people from their homes. stephanie gosk is near counts, texas for us. we've seen some incredible rescues there today. the what's the latest where you are, stephanie? >> yeah, ali. you know, the rain has stopped in the houston area, but it continues to pour in this part of texas. it really is unbelievable. we've basically our team has been in torrential rains for five days straight. we had been trying to make our
way into beaumont. all of the roads to beaumont are shut, although we are hearing now that one of the highways, 90 into beaumont has opened up, which is going to be great news for those people. and one of the reasons why miguel had that opportunity with the military is because that was the only way that people in that city could get any help was from the sky, because the help just simply couldn't get in. you have a city of 100,000 people completely isolated with flood waters rising rapidly. a catastrophic situation, more than 26 inches of rain in 24 hours. it's just -- it's hard to wrap your head around. and a lot of people fearing that the flooding there is even worse than what we saw in houston. ali. >> stephanie, what is the weather situation where you are right now? is rain still coming down? >> reporter: yeah. it is. it is coming down. and it's the last thing people need. and,up, this small town that we were in, counts, where it was really a creek that had risen skpl blocked them off from
heading any further south. and we turned around because they now had fears that the body of water to the north was going to block off the north access to the town. they were already feeling isolated in that small town. and their experience is very similar to other communities all along the texas coast, from houston to beaumont. we've been talking about the larger cities, but you really have all of these small rural towns in between those two cities that are struggling with the same levels of water and the same difficulties, having to try to find, first of all, to rescue people from their homes because they are cut off and then to move them from their homes to a shelter. and if you are in a place where people can't get food and supplies, then shelters become very difficult places very quickly without those kinds of essentials. ali. >> all right. stephanie, thanks very much for your great reporting. we'll check in with you a little later. stephanie grosk in counts,
texas. as we said, harvey is still bringing the fury as it's made landfall now for a third time. the first time was friday night as a category 4 hurricane outside of corpus christi. nbc meteorologist has been with us the whole time is joining us to tell us where harvey is now, where it dpz and what happens next. steve. >> all right. ali, the good news, harvey is over land now. so it can't strengthen again. and it's not going to do a loop on us. so that's certainly excellent news frm the problem is we're still dealing with the impacts of harvey and it's still producing some severe weather here, he is spshlel across areas of mississippi, louisiana and eastern texas where it won't stop raining. it's ended in houston it will be ending in beaumont soon. as we walk over to the weather wall i'll show you why this will be out of here soon enough. moving north northeast at 8-mile-per-hour. it's over land now so it cannot
strength en. and you'll start to see the system look less impressive here over the next couple of days. by this evening 45-mile-per-hour winds. it's still in areas of noern mississippi, but then it starts to deteriorate to the north and east. and good rid dance to it. we have to watch another storm system in the southern gulf of mexico. that could be a problem as we head into early next week, ali. >> all right. we've got beaumont, port arthur in our sites as well. steve has been helping me out a lot through this entire storm. we've been showing you video of amazing rescues all day. local, state and federal authorities, regular people, residents, doing everything they can to save those still tramd. just a short time ago my colleague mig alley almaguer landed with a u.s. navy helicopter team. during my 11:00 eastern hour we were with you in that helicopter as you were shooting these rescues. were you literally just flying
over places where people were flaking you down and they would lower the res cure in the basket? >> ali, we were literally inside a u.s. navy helicopter like this one higher. i'm going to bring you to this live. we were in a hol kopter just like this. when we were bringing you those live pictures. it's actually the u.s. air force that is doing the basket drop. this is another group that has just been brought to safety here. look, this is many, many people. we're looking at about 15 people, families, children, elderly parents. you can see all of these kids were being brought off of this helicopter. this actually looks a little bit more like a black hawk. we were on a navy sea hawk. you can see this, ali. they're bringing a man down with a wheelchair. all of these people have been plucked to safety. this is the army helicopter that has just landed here. we're going to walk you back here and see if we can talk to
some of these folks. they were literally just standing in flood waters just a short time ago. they've been brought to safety inside this convention center here is where they're being checked in where folks are being able to have a place to shelt r out tonight. see if i can talk to you -- excuse me, were you guys just rescued? do you mind telling me -- >> the house got real flooded. that's all it was. >> what was it like as you were sitting in your home -- >> let me tell you, it was scary. >> we were so scared, but god have saved us. i'm from port arthur, texas. >> can you tell us a little bit about what it was like for you and your family? >> it was so bad. we had to get out of there because it wasn't right. and plus, i have a two-year-old with me. and these are my nieces and my nephews. so we had to hurry up and get out of there. >> were you worried you weren't going to make it out? i know that water was rising quickly. >> yeah, until they came. we didn't even know they were coming. >> what was it like to get in
that helicopter and to see safety? >> it was good. it was eye good feel because it was hornl. it was a great feeling. >> now that you're out, what do you do now? >> i'm happy because i got my nieces and my nephews out. >> ali, you can see the helicopter here taking off again. what they have been doing all day long is coming back and forth. it's an incredible scene here. a sea of humanity as all of these people who were literally standing in flood waters ten minutes ago are now being brought to safety. you see these big rigs here. they're also sending out raft teams in these rigs to go into beaumont. it is a precarious situation. as you can see here, the rain is coming downside ways. we also have some steady wind out here, so it's a dangerous situation. but as you just saw live, ali, rescue teams doing all they can to bring people to safety. back to you, ali. >> all right. miguel, i want to ask you, when you were up there, what was the method by which the pilots and the rescuers were determining who they were picking up?
because at one point you were shooting out the helicopter and someone seemed to be flagging you down and next thing you were picking them up. were they literally going and just looking for people? >> that was literally the method. we took off from this area in orange, texas, which is right next to beaumont. the water literally cuts off these two cities and has made beaumont an island. up in the air as soon as they got over beaumont they looked for the first sign of a person or people that needed help. they were r where, ali. everywhere. in neighborhoods all across that area. they found families who were waving flags, towels, sheets. that's the first group we hovered over. they drapd their rescue basket about a hundred feet down. first a member of the u.s. air force went down in that rescue basket, rap peld down. they then hoeded up families after families. we're talking very young children, their parents. and as you just saw here, even the disabled and the elderly. they hoisted them up into the air. they're bringing them right back here to safe ground. they're going into that convention center behind me,
checking in. there's cots there, understood there. the rescue teams, they're off, already gun looking for more family. >> incredible. talk to me about the fact the way it looked like it would happen is a res cure would rap pell down a rope and then the basket would be sent down and people holding whatever they were holding would be put in that basket. what happened as they got into the helicopter? were they scared? were they elated? what was the emotional response that people had once they got on to this helicopter? >> well, really, i'm gog show you a live picture of another helicopter getting set to take off. the emotions really did run the gamut. we saw a young boy clinging to his mother, shaking, crying, so relieved. you have the spectrum right there. this young mother so relieved, so happy to be making it out of the flood zone and her young 11-year-old boy, joshua, who was terrified and petrified to come
into that rap pell system into the helicopter. one of the father's gave us the thumbs-up. another mother told us she was terrified the entire time. many people out here, as you can imagine, some are scared of heights and other precarious situations. you've got a rope dangling down. you're in a basket. it's windy. it's rainy. it's a dangerous situation. you can see here this helicopter taking off. we've got another one coming in right behind it, ali. it literally is a father ris wheel of first responders bringing people down to safety as quickly as they can. it's quite a scene out here. >> i've got to tell you, miguel, i've been talking to people stranded in beaumont and port arthur all morning, and this is -- if people are watching this and you have people in beaumont or port arthur, let them know this is happening, because the people i spoke to were scared this morning, miguel. they didn't even know if anybody knew they were stuck in some of the places. we were talking to people who were stuck in a bowling alley in port arthur. we now have word that the
military or whomever with these held couldn'ters is moving in to rescue 300 people in that bowling alley. there are people in apartment complexes who don't know if help is coming. and what you are showing us is -- i mean, it's remarkable to see all of these helicopters touching down, dropping people off, picking up and going out. miguel, what's going to stop them from doing it? is it the dark, the weather conditions? >> you know, ali, after talking to with these guys and lieding with them all morning, i can tell you, i don't think anything is going to stop them. these are true professionals, men and women with the military, the air force and the navy. they told us they're going to go as long as help is needed. and i should point out this morning when we joined them, we were actually going to head to the houston area. that's where they thought they were going to be doing some rescues, but more importantly for them they said they thought they were going to be doing reconnaissance. but then they heard about beaumont, and shoos they got that call they said let's switch gears. we went to beaumont.
we came here and this is a scene that's been happening. more people come outed. plane right now, this helicopter, without shoes. a lot of these people wearing shorts. completely soaked. these are the situations they were pulled out from. when they see a helicopter overhead, it doesn't matter what you're wearing or what you're doing. you get on it because it might be your first, your last and your only chance to get out of this community, ali. >> miguel, i don't know if you can still hear me, but one of the issues, assist you see these people getting off and sh is carrying a little bit of something. those decisions that people have had to make, when with you went to pick them up, because they were standing in many cases away from a structure, away from their homes and they had to make a selection about what they had to carry with them. what we've seen is people going into these shelters is there's an assortment of stuff available to them. it's not very thorough. people realize they're leaving their homes and it may be a long time before they get back in. >> ali, the lucky ones are the ones with bags. most people here are walking off
these helicopters with the clothes on their backs. many not even with shoes on their feet. those, that's the typical situation. the lucky ones have a purse or a backpack. nothing larger than that because they just can't bring them on these helicopters. the rescue teams are telling them they're lucky to get out, get out now. as you can see here, this family right here, just a bag or two with with them. and this is one of the main rescue guys who has been with us all day long. he's been a hero. we've seen him all day long. and here he goes, ali. he's now carrying other peoples' clothes. he's been carrying babies and children. these guys have been going nonstop. these are members of the rare force. we join them outside texas a and m. they have been at it since about 6 this morning. they don't look fatigued to me and they show no sign of slowing down anytime soon. >> it's truly amazing the hereism of these rescuers.
the professionals, army, navy, coast guard, national guard. and then the citizens, the firefighters, the police department, the ems workers and the citizens who we've seen rescuing people. miguel, when they go down, when they rap pell down, when those rescuers are there to put somebody in the basket and lift them up into the helicopter, do they impose conditions what they can carry with them? >> no, they don't have conditions. but crews are asking them not to bring too much because there simply is not that much room and the more belongings, the less room there is for people. form for some of the lucky there isn't a lot of other people being taken up. the last couple of helicopters we've seen have had more than a dozen. we're going to step out of the way as this big rig here pulls out. the lucky ones are able to bring bags. that gentleman with the air force, he's actually part of a river rescue team. this is one of the rafrts they came in ready to go and deploy. they had no idea they would be inside the helicopters all day long doing these rescues.
they have been changing styles on a dime doing whatever it takes to pull people to safety. these guys were ready to launch in a raft. instead they've been in a helicopter all day long. their skills transferable because they were with the military. they've done rescues before. so they're going to be out here all day long. >> on the other side of the screen we're showing those rescues taking place the with unds that you shot on the helicopter. tell me from the moment you determined that you're picking somebody up, what's the time to when you make that determination to when they're in the helicopter? >> it only takes a few minutes. it depends on the people who are being rescued offer of the ground. the guys in the air are able to get down that laerd in a matter of seconds. it depends on how long it takes to get the elderly or the small children into that basket. once that basket is secure, then they begin to rise it up to the helicopter. and ali, it is a harrowing experience. you see that helicopter, that basket -- >> it looked like a harrowing
experience. >> it's whipping in the wind. it's rainy. the helicopter itself is rotating and moving. and the basket is coming up and people are literally holding on to the basket. that's the only way they're safe and secure. they're propped up. the rescue man then goes outside the helicopter, pulls that basket in. they're brought to safety. the basket is still spinning, moving a bits inside the helicopter. they then get out of that basket and that is the first time you see any sign of relief for the people who have been wading through flood waters and have finally made it into a helicopter. >> we saw a boy who was rescued, and he looked terrorized. he looked scared because the basket was shaking and spinning as he came up. even as he got in, i don't mean if you remember that boy in the 11:00 eastern hour. >> i do. it's 11-year-old joshua, ali. and he's inside the shelter here. brian, do you think -- >> i'm going to show you the scene here. 11-year-old joshua, we were with him as he was being pulled um.
we have seen rescues for quite sometime. i have done this before. watching his face. >> yeah. >> moved me. i mean, this boy was petrified. he was scared. his parents, though, were so, so relieved. and his face really told us the story here of what these folks are going through. i'm going to bring you here into the shelter. ali, when we first got here, there were five people in this shelter. >> wow. >> five peechl, including the air drop that we brought in. now -- many people who will be here all night. this is actually joshua's dad. can you talk to me a little bit your experience in coming out. >> creepy. creepy and wet, very wet. it was a bad experience and i don't want to go through it again. >> when we were coming up i was looking at joshua and our viewers have seen the photo of joshua, who looks scared. >> he was screaming. >> why was this such a harrowing experience for your young son, your is 1-year-old to go threw? >> actually, because we're from
austin, and this is something -- you know what i'm saying? we don't have hurricanes up there. bad weather -- it's something new, something new to us. >> through that experience, what do you do now? >> rebuild. rebuild and -- because it could have been worse. >> did you ever see this coming? >> no. i seen it. but you know. >> well w we are glad you're safe. we're glad joshua is safe. thank you very much. this is where they're processing people. you'll see here in this room, there are young children -- >> all right. we're having some trouble with miguel's signal maybe it's because they're deeper in the building. but that gentleman that he was just talking to is it the father of that boy we were just showing the video of who was brought up, 11-year-old joshua who was so terrified. i'm glad that his father can
have a bit of a chuckle about it right now because at the moment it was happening, there was nothing -- that's joshua right there. look at how frightened he was, but boy, they are happy to get to safety. by the way, no disrespect to young joshua, that is a harrowing ride. you saw that basket was spinning. it's windy. the are prop wash from the helicopter is causing it to be windier. and then you get into the helicopter that's also moving. it would not be normal, miguel to not be frightened. i'm looking at those shots. it would not be normal to not be frightened as that basket was coming up. >> ali, are you back with me? can you hear me now? >> i've got you. and we were showing the video of joshua as well. >> yeah. absolutely. i mean, i was terrified to be inside the helicopter. and, you know, this is an 11-year-old boy who is being hoisted up outside in the elements who has been in flood waters for several hours. so i can't imagine what he's feeling. all of these people have had
some type of experience like this am they're just now getting water and food for the first time. this room is going to be completely full tonight i can tell you that because the lines wraparound outside and inside. everyone is going through registration. some people were on respirators, disabled, wheelchairs. some are very young, old. this is the scene here tonight, ali. they were even air lifting animals out when they could, when they had the space. many of the folks who are here don't have shoes. they were in flood waters. so they literally have the clothes on their back. fema is now here. they've set up the cots here. they're starting to register these folks. but again, ali, this is just the beginning of the experience for them. they're lucky to be alive. they're happy they got out. but now, as we asked joshua's father, what do you do? where do you go? they still have to sort that out. >> it's remarkable that what is it, two hours after that rescue, his father was able to have a little chuckle about this thing and then show that universal piece of the human spirit that
says what we do now is rebuild. that is the beauty on the other side of the horror that you've been seeing all morning. >> yeah. and joshua's father when we were there, i was in the helicopter when he was pulled out to safety. i can tell you he was also a bit shaken as this was happening. i looked over and if he was okay, he nodded yes. he gave me the thumbs-up, but in the beginning he was not able to be as relaxed as he is you no. here is some of the supplies that they have. they've got water, mre's, the meelts that are ready to eat by the military. so they are certainly and ready and prepared for this group here. i've got to tell you, this group, it's going to continue to grow. as you saw when we were on the air with you live here, two or three helicopters land. they're going to continue to see situations like that over the next several hours here. and i don't know if we can see out here in the distance here, these are the raft teams. these are the air force rescue teams that originally had come to deploy to do water rescues. they haven't even been able to do water rescue yets because
they've been so busy in the helicopter. they hold six or seven people. so they're only able to pull out one or to people at a time. so right now they're having more luck in the helicopters. when we flew in, this was actually in the cargo hold. this is why we touched down here at the police station was to release these rafrts so these teams could get to work and free up space for air rescues. but it turned out very quickly that air rescues would be the faster mode of getting these folks out. we've got guys down here. these are all u.s. air force team members. they're suiting up, getting ready to floi into these raftsment they have been inflated about, as soon as we touched down about here, 10 or 11:00 this morning. they didn't need them. instead they've been going up and doing their work in the air. but they're getting ready to deploy in these raft. the a scene here, ali, that is going to continue all day long. and look, this dump truck, the reason why they're loading into these dump trucks is they're going to drive down the road as
far as they can, they'll enter the water. they'll then deploy the rafts right out of the dump trucks into the water. go house to house, neighborhood to neighborhood, looking for anybody that may need help, anyone that's trapped. and of course, anyone that needs to come out, ali. >> you're looking at live american heroes right now. i had a puzzling conversation with the mayor of beaumont in the 11:00 hour who said that everything was under control and they had all the rescues that they needed under control. the stuff that you were doing in the plane sort of belies that information. this is still a serious situation. we now have confirmation that 21 people have died as a result of harvey. the death toll has climbed. this has all been in the last 20 minutes or so. we got up to 19 and then we got to 21, unfortunately, as authorities are getting around. miguel, what happens next to these people? they've moved into that building that you took us into. is that their shelter for the next few days?
>> it will likely be so, ali. some of these people may have friends or family that can come and reach them on this sield of dry land. many of them may not, so they may be here for several days. some may even be here for weeks. as they have told us they have no place else to go. i want to go back to that point you made about the mayor. these guys are clearly very calculated in their maneuvers, they're able to -- they're very calm. i can tell you the people that are being rescued aren't. they don't think the sbags is under control. they have this rescue down. they have that under control, but the folks who are baiting for help don't seem to be so calm. you see another helicopter here. this looks like a black hawk that is skirting in sideways here for another landing. ali, as you have seen, i'll belt it's full of more people who have been rescued. we've only been talking to you for a few more minutes since that last rescue. here we go again, another helicopter, another rescue. we came in with a fleet of about three or four helicopters. many more have arrived.
the navy is also the agency that brought us in. they have been doingo manslaughter work since they got here. you can see these guys plotting and planning their next mission. we're going to walk past them here to see if there more peopl out of that helicopter. one would guess there would be. here they're getting ready to touch down. there's a ground crew that is getting hammered by the rain and getting ready to open this side door. my guess is it will be full of about ten people who have just been plucked from the floodwaters. we'll soon find out. see the first air team getting out and unlocking the sliding door. it does look like there are people inside here. again, another rescue. i mean, it's only been minutes since the last one. it's incredible how quickly all the teams are able to go and scoop people out. another young girl it appears. another young man. another young boy. all of these people falling out of the helicopter. this is a scene that will continue all the way into the evening. ali, i can tell you, these folks also have night vision.
they told us as we were flying in that they have night vision. they have been in turbulent weather before so something tells me they'll be at it all night. ali, you still with me? >> i'm with you. we're just listening to the sound of the black hawk and the people getting out. you're hard to hear. >> [ indiscernible ]. >> i can't hear your mike right now just because the prop -- the noise from the propeller on the black hawk.
>> it's quite a scene to see people who had notice that they were getting some help. these helicopter rescues have been happening for most of the morning. so people in the neighborhood are liking word that the choppers are either touching down in shallow water or dropping their hoist which is what more likely they are doing. so you can see here some of the folks have suitcases. these are the first suitcases we have seen. they're getting ready to hunker down here for a few days. there's water and food and shelter inside. that's one advantage they have inside. >> you were on a black hawk earlier today, were you not, miguel? >> we were on a seahawk. navy seahawk. which is a modified version. here is the black hawk taking off again. just like that, back in the air. yeah, we were on a seahawk.
i can tell you we hit turbulent weather coming in. it was a shaky situation. and we -- you and i have both flown on airlines that have had turbulence but it was a bumpy ride to say the least. the guys didn't give it a second look. they got here quickly, got on the ground safely. they have been doing this all day long. they seem to be pretty safe. the weather is actually not quite as bad as it could be. we have had light, steady rain. heavier rain at some point. certainly some winds out here. it hasn't been terrible weather. that is at least aiding them and the concern here though is, you know, in a couple of hours it will get dark. the rescues will become more difficult. seeing people is more difficult.
they have that infrared, but it's going to become a much more dicey situation as the evening pushes on. >> right. so where are people who are coming in, those helicopters that are coming in where you are, are they in and around the beaumont area? all airborne? >> yeah, they're touching down here in orange. in the city next to beaumont. the reason we can't go any further is there is a wave of water in between the building, the location and what should be the city of beaumont which is also mostly under water. so the helicopters take off from here. they hover over beaumont. they drop their lines, drop their baskets, they pick up as many people as they can. literally scoop th into the i would say it's probably four or five minutes to get to where they need to go. what we were told what i assume is still happening now, they're going neighborhood to neighborhood, going from block to block. looking for people that need help. when we first arrived, ali, when we were the first air ships to get into beaumont, we can see people waving towels and arms. >> you showed us some of that. >> then they were rescued. when we got to this shelter and
we're able to speak to them, they were beside themselves. they said they were incredibly lucky, but they also felt incredibly bad about leaving their neighbors. their loved ones. some left an elderly parent behind because they could not get to their house in the floodwaters. and they begged for these crews, please go back, pick up my parents. here's the address. pick them up. here's the picture. they have been inundated with those requests all day long. everyone that lands here, everyone that makes it to safety has a loved one or a friend somewhere nearby that still needs help. that's why the rescues are going on all day long. you can likely hear in the background here, we have another helicopter coming in here. this looks like a huey. it can carry a lot more people than some of those blackhawks and the seahawks that are touching down. we saw this helicopter touch down an hour ago. it was full of military personnel. i'm not sure if they'll have people here. and in the huey they don't typically lower a basket to rescue people. usually it's a big helicopter that they can put in cargo or
equipment or a large number of personnel. they may be flying into the city of beaumont to try to find a dry space to see if they can open up the back of the huey and load people on. that would be the fastest way of getting people out. >> it's wider and longer than the -- than the black hawk and the seahawk. >> it's a flying bus, you can fit a ton of people on here. i don't know the stats exactly but the last time we saw this it was full of military personnel who had been coming in to help. i'm not sure if we'll see civilians on this. but they're still trying to bring in more equipment, more rafts, more military personnel. more rescue teams. that's the reason the huey is being used. yeah, doesn't look like -- any civilians are coming off. right over here, another one. just off in the distance coming in. we haven't seen this much air
activity in quite some time. so they certainly appear to be ramping up and they seem to be literally getting ready to evacuate an entire city by the air. >> well, good news for the residents of beaumont and nearby port arthur that the cavalry is on its way in. the hueys can carry 14 troops apiece fully loaded. obviously when you're talking about civilians who are not carrying military gear they can put many more than that. it's got a capacity of 4,000 pounds. it can have on there almost. so the equivalent of that in people or cargo. you saw the back door of the other huey. don't get off of this shot, but the other opened up the cargo door. you can put stretchers on if you need to. bring military in. clearly as you have pointed out, miguel, it is almost 3:00 p.m. in beaumont, texas. we have a few hours of sunlight left and they have realized how many people are stranded and
need to get out and the milit y military -- we don't know whose hueys these are, but the military is taking the very seriously. greg abbott has activated even more -- go ahead, miguel, tell us what you're seeing. these are troops. >> yeah, these are army hueys. looks like we have some troops getting off of the back of the huey. those look like inflatable rafts in their hands and they have their gear. i'm not sure what shot you can see here. but there's rafts, and water and other equipment here. but they are certainly gearing up, ramping up for a large scale operation here. this appears to be an army huey and looks like these are members of the u.s. army that we have mentioned the navy is here. the air force is here. it's really a joint operation here. they are staging out here big time. in the time we were talking to
you, ali, that second huey did land in the background. show you a shot of that. they're side by side here. ready to scoop up and go to work. it's a massive operation here. i'm sure the rescue teams and the first responders typically the civilians will tell you more help is likely is needed. >> as we saw all the gear coming out of there, miguel, i began to wonder because there was more coming off of that thing, that can go on the huey and lester walked in to give me a note. it's a chinook which is why wire seeing a bigger capacity -- we're seeing a bigger capacity. you're seeing the guys getting out with a lot of gear which is what gave me pause for a second. they look similar. we're looking at chinooks. you're saying that they're army chinooks? >> yeah. they say the u.s. army on that. thank you for the correction on the chinooks. these are really big helicopters.
they are reloaded on the side. military members who have been coming in. >> got it. >> coast guard members here. you see them bringing a motor out for a raft. this is the equipment they need. >> miguel, stand by. miguel is in orange, texas. next to beaumont. you can see the heavy gear that the army is bringing in now on those military chinook helicopters that can carry a lot of troops. you will see a lot more of miguel's reporting tonight on "nbc nightly news" with lester holt. this hour has come to a close for me. thank you for watching. i'll be back at 11:00 p.m. eastern on the 1 1th hour. "deadline: white house" starts right now. good afternoon. it's 4:00 and i'm kasie hunt filling in for nicolle wallace. we'll keep an eye on all the dramatic rescues down in texas, but we